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...no guns in schools, period.

Discussion in 'Legal' started by ebd10, Apr 20, 2007.

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  1. ebd10

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    That's a snippet from Wayne LaPierre, the pusillanimous lickspittle that claims to be a champion of the Second Amendment, who said this at the NRA Annual Members meeting in 1999. Read it here:

    http://www.nrahq.org/transcripts/denver_wlp.asp

    As a life member, I am disgusted at the direction that the NRA has taken under his leadership. Compromise is the watchword of the day, and his statement about no guns in schools makes him as culpable in the Virginia Tech shooting as Larry Hinker.

    I am PO'd and intend to do something about getting rid of this POS.
     
  2. spankaveli

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    Expanded snippet.

    "First, we believe in absolutely gun-free, zero-tolerance, totally safe schools. That means no guns in America's schools, period ... with the rare exception of law enforcement officers or trained security personnel."

    Who is we?
     
  3. 30 cal slob

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    j warren cassidy was just as bad. :cuss:
     
  4. only1asterisk

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    He's not talking about me.

    David
     
  5. Zero_DgZ

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    Seven words:

    "I am the only one professional enough..."
     
  6. 6_gunner

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    Man, that really disappoints me.
     
  7. Correia

    Correia Moderator Emeritus

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    Well, things have certainly changed since 1999. Let's see what they do now.

    In the meantime, I would strongly suggest not waiting for the NRA to do jack squat for you. We need to do it ourselves, grassroots style.

    Utah allows CCW in schools and universities. If we can do it, so can your state.

    Contact your reps, and demand to know why Utah loves their children more than your state does. Demand CCW be allowed in school. Now is the time.
     
  8. JWarren

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    I'm very disappointed reading this.


    NRA member here. :mad:


    John
     
  9. cmidkiff

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    I'm a proud member of the NRA... but every once in a while, they say something that really makes me cringe and grind my teeth. This is one of those statements. I still think that the NRA is the best national group defending our 2A rights, and that every gun owner should be a member.

    From 1999... hopefully the official position has changed since then.
     
  10. hnk45acp

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    Isn't he refering to grammar/high schools where kids are too young to own handguns anyway or is he including faculty and staff too?
     
  11. 22-rimfire

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    You need to place the comments by Wayne LaPierre in context. This speech was delivered at the national meeting in Denver CO on May 1, 1999. You will recall the the Columbine tragedy occurred on April 20, 1999. There was talk of having the meeting canceled or moved from Denver at the last minute. The "schools" he is referring to are not colleges and universities; they are elementary, middle and high schools. Current law forbids any person under 21 from carrying a firearm concealed. Most "kids" are under 21 in high school, and the few that might not be could be handled on a case by case basis. I doubt Wayne LaPierre was referring to teachers or administrators.

    So, I have no problem with the NRA on this issue. The DATES are most important in this case as far as condemning the NRA.
     
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  12. JWarren

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    Thanks for bringing that up 22-Rimfire.

    I may have missed it, but I was taking it in the context that he recently said that statement (after the VT shootings).


    I think a lot of people are rethinking their position on CCW now-- as evidenced by the discussions in the media, and the polls we are seeing.


    John
     
  13. waterhouse

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    I don't mean to threadjack, but thank you for doing this.
     
  14. Correia

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    Utah has CCW in schools, but many people don't realize it. I'm trying to draw attention to the issue.

    Guys, seriously, don't expect the NRA to do anything for us, and don't expect any gains at the fed level. But now is the time for us to chip away at the state level.

    You would be amazed how much power you have at the state level as an individual. Your legislators are more than likely regular folks who live in your neighborhood. Now is the time to demand that CCW restrictions be lifted.

    I can't accentuate this enough. This is our chance.
     
  15. 22-rimfire

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    Legalizing CCW in schools would be a good idea for otherwise legally qualified individuals. CCW holders are some of the safest firearms owners in the country. Yes, this may be OUR chance to get this changed at the state level.

    Many have expressed views in the past that a national CCW law would be a bad idea. It would define minimum standards. In some states, you can pretty much walk into the court house (read appropriate controlling agency) and fill a form out, have the NICs check done and you have your permit approved. It is much more difficult in Tennessee. In particular, it pisses me off that my TN permit is not honored in PA which has much more lax requirements for CCW since I often go to PA where I have family. Getting this changed requires action by the Attorney General in TN and they are too lazy to want to help in such an insignificant issue to them. It takes political pressure to get this done. PA Attorney General office pretty much said no problem, but it has to go through official channels.
     
  16. marcodelat

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    "Who is we?"

    My guess is "we" is them.
     
  17. Prof. A. Wickwire

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    What states other than Utah "allow" legal CCW holders to carry on school grounds?

    Is there a list somewhere?

    Thanks.

    Sincerely,

    Prof. A. Wickwire
     
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    It is legal in VA and WV, but is almost universally against school policy. In WV, if a property isn't posted, you are not breaking the law by carrying, but the University could still terminate an employee or expell a student.

    David
     
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    "First, we believe in absolutely gun-free, zero-tolerance, totally safe schools. That means no guns in America's schools, period ... with the rare exception of law enforcement officers or trained security personnel." and deranged lunatics.
     
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    So we go from

    "First, we believe in absolutely gun-free, zero-tolerance, totally safe schools. That means no guns in America's schools, period ... with the rare exception of law enforcement officers or trained security personnel." - Wayne LaPierre, Executive VP, National Rifle Association

    to

    "Part of the problem is, is these gun-free zones, they are not working either, because it`s so easy to walk out of that zone and pick up that 9mm."- Paul Helmke, President, Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

    in eight years? :eek:
     
  21. eliphalet

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    Sad, I remember 25 years ago driving 45 minutes or so down the hill to San Bernardino High School for a once a week, night school gun smith class in the metal shop there. Before the school gun ban of a few years ago the kids in the Idaho town I live close to had their rifles in the back window of their pickup in the school parking lot during hunting season or any other time they so desired.

    IMHO the NRA ( which I am a life member of) kinda reminders me of the saying " with friends like this I don't need enemies"
    It's not quite that bad but they should fight tooth and nail all gun laws against citizens, and never compromise.
     
  22. Car Knocker

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    Which law is this? Cite, please?
     
  23. oldfart

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    "As a life member, I am disgusted at the direction that the NRA has taken under his leadership."

    Well, "La Pierre" is a French name. :evil:
     
  24. cbsbyte

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    When I am right, I am right. The NRA is a deceitful origination, that pretends to back the RKBA, but compromises all the time behind out backs. Wayne is a prime example of this. I don't know why so many people back the NRA.
     
  25. Condition Plaid

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    Oddly enough, California does not prohibit CCW holders from carrying on school grounds, though individual counties can place that restriction on the license. Mine does not, only stating I may not carry on school grounds 'where prohibited by law'.
     
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