No lawsuit immunity for gun industry (Lays it on thick in this one...)

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No lawsuit immunity for gun industry

Griffin Dix Wednesday, February 19, 2003

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You know my son's story. You've heard it, or ones like it, a hundred times -- and so have the gunmakers.

One Sunday in 1994, my 15-year-old son, Kenzo, was at a friend's house, when the friend decided to show him his father's handgun. Without telling Kenzo what he was doing, the boy took out a clip that had bullets in it and put in an empty clip. That made him think the gun was empty. But the gun's design had tricked him. When he pulled the trigger, the bullet hidden in the chamber killed my son.

My son's friend had fired this same handgun at a shooting range with his father. If the handgun came equipped with a prominent chamber-loaded indicator, a red button showing that a bullet was in the chamber, he would have learned the function of this device and my son would be alive today.

On most days in America, someone dies because a shooter does not know a bullet is hidden in the chamber of a gun. Why does this continue, when we know that safer gun designs would prevent many of these deaths? Because in 1972, when Congress set up the Consumer Product Safety Commission, it stipulated that firearms would be exempt from regulation by the commission. Consequently, gunmakers have failed to build needed safety features into their guns. Now, legislation sponsored overwhelmingly by Republicans in Congress would give the gun industry blanket immunity from lawsuits brought because of the gun industry's irresponsible conduct.

My lawsuit against Beretta USA, argued by lawyers of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, was the first case to be heard by a jury on the theory that guns should have chamber-loaded indicators and also child-resistant integral locks.

In court, Beretta mocked the idea of a gun with an integral lock as an impossibility. But now, four years later, Beretta and numerous other gun companies are building locks into some guns. This would not have happened without my lawsuit and others that followed, because such lawsuits provide the only incentive for gunmakers to make their products safer.

But if the gun lobby's pending legislation becomes law, our family will have no right to seek justice, even though my son was the victim of a defectively designed gun used by another child (a "criminal" use). If he were killed by any other defectively designed product, from a BB gun to an automobile, the manufacturer would be held responsible.

Gun lobby groups argue that the legislation put forward minimizes frivolous lawsuits. If cases like ours were "frivolous," judges would have rejected them. But judges have declared our lawsuit and many others against gunmakers to be legitimate cases that should be tried in court.

If, in accord with the judges' decisions, we get our day in court, we hope and expect to win. Under the law, if there is foreseeable misuse of a product, the product must be designed with the foreseeable misuse in mind, so long as there are better feasible designs.

By not building a simple lock-and-load indicator into its gun, Beretta broke product liability law. Similarly, before auto seat belts and air bags were required, some lawsuits found automakers guilty of failing to install these feasible safety features. Because Congress did not exempt the auto industry from product liability laws, we are all safer.

The stakes for safe gun design are enormous. Built-in locks can help prevent unauthorized users, including teenagers, from getting handguns from their homes and selling them on the illegal market or using them for homicides, crimes, suicides and unintentional shootings. Built-in locks would prevent criminals from using the 170,000 guns that are reported stolen every year.

But gunmakers, their lobby and the members of Congress they influence want to keep all gun markets open -- even the illegal markets for criminals and teenagers who want a gun to commit crimes. How else can you explain Congress' refusal to require a background check at gun shows?

But if lawsuits provide gunmakers with the incentive to build safety features, including locks, into all their guns and monitor the distribution of their products (as other companies do), the lives of many of the 30,000 Americans who die every year from guns could be saved.

Passing this sweeping, unprecedented gun industry immunity legislation is the gun lobby's top priority. But the gun industry should not be given yet another special exemption from our laws.

Griffin Dix is a program director of Physicians for a Violence-Free Society and secretary/treasurer of the California State Council of the Million Mom March.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/02/19/ED232219.DTL
 
My son's friend had fired this same handgun at a shooting range with his father. If the handgun came equipped with a prominent chamber-loaded indicator, a red button showing that a bullet was in the chamber, he would have learned the function of this device and my son would be alive today.
I stopped reading after this preposterous statement. The 4 Basic Safety Rules, and all that.
 
Kenzo Dix would be alive today if his father had cared enough to teach him firearms safety.

My son will definitely know that clearing a magazine from the pistol in no way clears the chamber. He will not permit one of his "friends" to cover him with a muzzle.

Has anyone presented the posthumous Darwin Award yet?

BTW Mr. Dix, since the early 80s the Beretta 92 FS has had a loaded chamber indicator both visually and tactilely showing the presence of a round in the chamber, but in your son's case he'd have been depending on the moron who shot him to know where it is despite its easily spotted location on the extractor.

Fat chance as they say.
 
Stupidity killed that boy, not a gun manufacturer. Did the father sue the parents of the kid who murdered his son, or did he just go after the deeper pockets of Beretta? :cuss:
 
As the original poster noted, "...laying it on thick". The distraught parent's comment, while perhaps understandable, are arrant nonsense.

One should NEVER blame HUMAN STUPIDITY OR OTHER HUMAN FAILINGS on any inanimite object, which is that the person is doing.
 
With 360 degrees of azimuth and 360 degrees of elevation, how many "places" can you point a gun and fire it WITHOUT hitting one other person in the room with you? :rolleyes:

Kenzo's killer aimed the gun at him. It's as simple as that.

How does anybody know that Kenzo's killer DID drop the mag and insert an empty one before the ND? (An empty mag is about as useless as an unloaded gun, but let me look for one around here... Hmmm, not ONE empty mag....)

Any smart aleck kid who'd recklessly point a gun at somebody and pull the trigger is probably sneaky enough to do some quick CYA.... :rolleyes:

All in all:

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My son's friend had fired this same handgun at a shooting range with his father. If the handgun came equipped with a prominent chamber-loaded indicator, a red button showing that a bullet was in the chamber, he would have learned the function of this device and my son would be alive today.
This is a blatant lie this man is telling! One of the main points of the defense was that the firearm DID have a loaded chamber indicator. It is also the reason that Beretta was awarded damages in this case.

I posted this fact on TFL at: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=108521 some time back and repost it here for the edification of all.

Perhaps someone should direct them to the decision in Dix v. Beretta U.S.A. Corp.

As I recall, when HCI tried to sue Beretta in CA for the death of a kid whose friend got stupid, they claimed as "proof" of the inherent dangerousness of the firearm that it lacked a "loaded chamber indicator"; and the tragedy would never have happened but for the lack of that simple feature. The defense walked up and pointed to the "loaded chamber indicator" on the Beretta and said "You mean like this one?"

http://www.nrawinningteam.com/beretta.html The suit, which was also brought by the parents of the deceased youth, alleged that the firearm in question should have had a device which warned that the firing chamber was loaded. Beretta U.S.A. Corp. defended by pointing out that the firearm in question had such a device and that the accident occurred because of the failure of the shooter and his father to follow basic safety instructions included with the pistol.


End of case.

Beretta was awarded damages for court costs.
http://www.nrawinningteam.com/beretta2.html
 
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Jimpeel:

ven lacking any sort of "loaded chamber indicator", the most common of sense dictates that any and all firearms are LOADED, until personal inspection indicates they aren't.

Basic common sense also dictates that one never points a weapon at anything that one is unwilling to shoot
 
Another example of a lack of parenting being pushed off on someone else as THEIR fault, not that of the parent.

Until we start demanding personal accountability again in this country, we're headed further down the drain.
 
Mr. Dix,

You allowed your son to die. You did not teach him that he should never let another person point a gun at him. You did not teach him the 4 Rules of Firearms Safety so that he could teach his friends.

Give me an afternoon with any remaining children. I will teach them to take guns aways from those that point them at them. I will teach him the 4 Rules as you obviously did not teach your deceased son.

Attempting to shift the blame to a piece of inert metal or the producers of this metal is disgusting. You are a father, you must teach your son.

The world is not a violence-free petting zoo that the morons in DC make you believe it is. The world is real. Firearms launch pieces of metal, do not allow your remaining children to be so ignorant.

Very truly yours,

Kirk S. Freeman
 
Is it such a big loss when someone named "Kenzo" gets center-punched by his ***-hat friend?

Stupid people do stupid things. Stupid people doing stupid things get stupid people killed.

Inserting a loaded magazine into a Beretta 92 is stupid. Racking the slide and disengaging the safety is stupid. Pointing a loaded Beretta at your idiot friend who lacks the basic brain function to realize that he needs to move out of the potential line of fire is stupid. Pulling the trigger on aforementioned Beretta whilst pointing the muzzle directly at the chest of your friend, is, well... stupid.

It's natural selection in action. The fact that Kenzo now resides six feet under the ground means that his genes probably weren't meant to be spread in the pool.

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To the Editor:

Do you not owe it to your readership to point out that "No lawsuit immunity for the gun industry" by Griffin Dix on Wednesday, February 19, 2003, is full of distortions, half-truths and omissions?

The Beretta handgun used to commit the wantonly negligent homicide of Kenzo Dix did have a "loaded chamber indicator" in a prominent spot on the upper right side of the pistol's slide, festooned with red paint. The pistol was also stored unlocked and loaded in full knowledge that the then-15 year old household idiot might have access to it.

The Dix case did go before a jury--and HCI LOST. Beretta discounted the notion of individualized locking systems, aka "smart gun" technology, which still doesn't exist and which police officers are routinely exempted from employing in the draft language of any bill proposing its adoption on the chance that it might not let the pistol fire when it is called upon to do so.

Perhaps Griffin Dix should make mention that he and HCI were ordered to pay Beretta's costs after the Alameda County jury threw out his case? He would have better served your readers by underscoring what the jury foreman said, "It's really the consumer buying the gun, I feel, who has ultimate responsibility for storage and safety."

Should he have mentioned that the Dix family settled out-of-court with the family of the shooter for $100,000 and then proceeded with a suit that was ultimately dismissed? Frivolity by any other name. . . .

The death of Kenzo Dix was indeed a tragedy, one that could have easily been averted had Mr. Dix properly taught his son the Four Rules of Firearm Safety so that Kenzo would have appreciated the danger of his friend's stupidity:

1, Always assume the gun is loaded.

2. Do not point the gun at anything you do not wish to destroy.

3. Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.

4. Know your target and what is beyond it.

Had Kenzo Dix known just that little, chances are he'd be alive today. Perhaps Mr. Dix should devote his energies to something useful, like teaching the Four Rules to young people.
 
Boats:

I believe that at least some of the points ypu raised were addressed, in an earlier post.
 
alan

Boats was posting the text of his letter to the Editor of the SF Gate.

I sent them one, too.

By the by, it seems that the Dixes have been able to get a sympathetic -- or pathetic as the case may be -- judge to order a new trial as this 2000 press release states [LINK]

Why there has been nothing on this subject since, I have no idea.
 
JimPeel:

Regarding what sound like the belated protests of jurors in this trial, by the way, pathetic might well be a good description for the judge who ordered a new trial, sounds rather like the belated protests of the trial jury in the Ed Rosenthal case, the Oakland, Calif. Rosenthal acting as an "agent" for the city of Oakland, was growing "pot", no question about that. The trial jury convicted, then complained about having been "kept in the dark"
as well as "having been led around by the nose, by the trial judge, who is USSC Justice Breyer's brother. See www.reason.com for more.

Why didn't the jury in the Beretta case complain to the trial judge, or simply ignore the "bully" in their midst? Likely, we shall; never know the real answers to any of the above questions, but they do provide "food for thought", at least I would so say.
 
Very fine posts gentlemen, and this has already been touched on, but I'll add my 2 coppers:

My son's friend had fired this same handgun at a shooting range with his father. If the handgun came equipped with a prominent chamber-loaded indicator, a red button showing that a bullet was in the chamber, he would have learned the function of this device and my son would be alive today.

1. I would have given an appendage (not sure which one yet) to have been the attorney who got to strut up to the plaintiff in court and say "oh, you mean this one?" :D :D :D :D :D

2. As we all know, Berettas have both a chamber-loaded indicator, and a manual safety. Both chamber indicator and dot on slide indicating safety "off" are painted bright red. :D

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