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OK, just remember, never say never.

As we all know there have been several runs of no-lock J frames out this year. We have the M642, the M442 and the M37, all were supposed to be a one time release. WELL, that's no longer true. While I was browsing the S&W site tonight I saw something I just didn't believe. Right there on the J frame page was a regular catalog item, the "Model 642 - No Internal Lock."

S&W added a handful of new M642's to their catalog. Two have pink grips, (light and dark pink) one had wooden grips, (not the M642LS) a Model 642 Power Port - Pro Series and the M642 No Internal Lock.

This is the first time in over 7 years I have a little hope we might be able to buy no-lock S&W revolver if we choose to. That's right boys and girls, it's now a regular catalog item, there is some hope for S&W after all. :D

OH, I almost forgot, the also made the M442 No Internal Lock a regular catalog item too!!!
 
Thank you Smith & Wesson for listening to the customers instead of the lawyers.

Lawsuits are not as dangerous to your bottom line as diminished sales.
 
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It's about damn time!!

So, all you S&W IL revolver fans, are your wind up guns more, or less valuable now? Perhaps they will become collectable now. Please collect my share. I'll be buying LOCK FREE NEW S&W revolvers!!

Where are all the Safety Wesson fans who said this would never happen? :neener:
 
Good news. Said I wouldn't buy another Smith til the realized their mistake.

Smart move on their part, hope it spreads through the product line.
 
Before I start celebrating, are these the same ones that RSR has had for months?

I bought a "no lock" model 40 earlier this year. It'd be nice if the progression was "concealed hammer grip safety" to " concealed hammer no grip safety" to "exposed hammer".

I'm not seeing "exposed hammer" though. Perhaps if all the lock whiners were to jump all over these x42s my "no lock" 29 classic will be just around the corner.

The discouraging thought is that the batch RSR was peddling sold in such sorry numbers that S&W cataloged them to help move them. Hopefully this is incorrect.
 
hrm....is it bad that I'm excited because now we'll see a bunch of used 642/442s on the market with locks selling at rock bottom prices?
 
Maybe, maybe not ...

Try this.

Call S&W and tell them you saw the New Products page on their website and are interested in the 642 or 442 made without the internal lock.

Ask them if they are presently in production.

Ask them if they have any in left in stock at the factory or are planning to make any more of them.

I certainly agree it would be a nice thing to see the non-ILS revolvers in regular production, but see what they say when you call ...
 
is it bad that I'm excited because now we'll see a bunch of used 642/442s on the market with locks selling at rock bottom prices?
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I really don't think that will happen. The reason I say this is because the majority of people that own these guns with locks do not see that as a bad thing. Only die-hard gun people do. For instance, I was at the range the other night and there was a couple there shooting along side me. After they were finished I watched the guy as he showed the gunsmith his gun. He was pointing out the internal lock and commenting on how cool he thought it was. The gunsmith didn't even seem all that opposed to the idea of the lock.:banghead:
 
I really don't think that will happen. The reason I say this is because the majority of people that own these guns with locks do not see that as a bad thing. Only die-hard gun people do.
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Yeah, what he said.

I'll be on the lookout for fire-sale pricing on PC revolvers with locks but I'm not holding my breath. I already bought a new "no lock" 40 and had an early 640 - I'm done with concealed hammer snubs for a bit but will certainly cheer on anyone looking to encourage S&W by buying the lockless ones available.

Guarded optimism is about all I can muster - S&W's online listings show "Contact Your Dealer For Pricing" which I thought was code-speak for "distributor special run".

But "guarded optimism" is better than nothing.
 
There are no lock "fans". There are only people who don't think locks are a huge deal.

This is in contrast with the people who have spent the last seven years in a constant, ear-splitting snit.

I would be relieved to see S&W quit the locks if for no other reason than to finally get some relief from the whining.

And thanks for letting me share!
 
Where are all the Safety Wesson fans who said this would never happen?
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Only people I have ever read online mentioning S&W never letting this happen were the anti-IL croud. Most of us who have no probs with the IL just tell ya we don't have a problem with it, we enjoy our guns, and move on.

There are no lock "fans". There are only people who don't think locks are a huge deal.

This is in contrast with the people who have spent the last seven years in a constant, ear-splitting snit.

I would be relieved to see S&W quit the locks if for no other reason than to finally get some relief from the whining.
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And B-I-N-G-O was his name-O

Noidster
 
For those who are wondering if the guns on the site are the same ones that were being sold through RSR Group, I highly doubt it. S&W has NEVER put a special run gun in their catalog. Of course it's possible but I doubt it. From what I've heard 75% of the available no lock M642's that RSR Group had have been sold. I find it hard to believe S&W put a listing for only 1000 revolvers in their catalog.

Another reason I feel these are going to be new guns, the frame. Both the x42's are the same frame with a different finish so in actuality both are made on the same line. Of course this is all conjecture, well all but the fact that there are currently 2 no lock revolvers in S&W's catalog.

I'm hoping this is the start of S&W offering at least some of the revolvers in both ILS and no ILS versions. At least it's a start. (I hope they find their way to make a no lock M638 or even bring back the M38 in a +P rated no lock model)
 
I hope you're right.

The ones that are clearly distributor specials are "contact your dealer for pricing".

But not all "contact your dealer for pricing" items are clearly assigned to a distributor, which I would take as a good thing.

However, they obviously are cataloging distributor exclusives.

I like the second listing below - how, exactly, is a weighted barrel 629 exclusive to two different distributors? Quite a trick there.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...angId=-1&parent_category_rn=15714&isFirearm=Y
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...angId=-1&parent_category_rn=15714&isFirearm=Y
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...angId=-1&parent_category_rn=15704&isFirearm=Y
 
That's what I mean Hawk, those you listed aren't regular catalog items, they are exclusive or special runs. I've noticed when S&W lists a new item they usually don't put the MSRP on the page right a way. The fact there is no mention of both those revolvers being exclusive or special runs is what encouraged me.
 
I bought a Ruger Redhawk last month and it came with a lock ... a PADLOCK!! :D The manual goes to great lengths to explain how to open the cylinder, fasten the padlock around the top strap and hide the key! Why S&W didn't do the same is beyond me. It's such a simple, unobtrusive and optional way of rendering the revolver safe, particularly if there are kids around.

:)
 
There are no lock "fans". There are only people who don't think locks are a huge deal.

This is in contrast with the people who have spent the last seven years in a constant, ear-splitting snit.

I would be relieved to see S&W quit the locks if for no other reason than to finally get some relief from the whining.

And thanks for letting me share!
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Some of us have principles. So, why don't you quit whining about folks expressing their reasons to choose differently than you have?
 
I don't care about what people choose. I'm just tired of hearing about it -- not to mention the folks who think long, misspelled rants fully illustrated with "fire" smileys are evidence of "principles".

Countdown to the next wild-eyed lock rant thread: 10, 9, 8...
 
I look forward to buying a brand new no-lock 625. Until that happens, I will keep my eye open for a pre-lock 625.

This is in contrast with the people who have spent the last seven years in a constant, ear-splitting snit.

I would be relieved to see S&W quit the locks if for no other reason than to finally get some relief from the whining.
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Just because someone has a different opinion than your does not make them a "whiner". Any more than your position makes you a "sunshine boy" :)

I've owned a number of S&W revolvers, including at least six with the ILS. Until "IT" happened to an acquaintance, I was in denial. If you pm me I'll put you in contact with him (with his permission). He is a member here.

Post-"IT" ("IT" being defined as the experience of The Lock self-engaging ...while dry-firing, no less), all my ILS Smiths went bye-bye, and the ensuing vacuum has been filled with nice, pre-lock Smiths.

Maybe "IT" will happen to you one day. I hope not.

If it does, you will have the rest of your life (perhaps measured in milli-seconds) to reflect upon your short-sightedness.

May luck be with you.
 
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