No Smoking in CA City

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Calabasas, CA has outlawed all outdoor smoking in "public" places. Can I not smoke on my back deck? Can I not smoke on the john if the window is open?? What's wrong with these people?

I don't smoke. But I believe you have the right to do so. Call me crazy...
 
I don't like it either, but you can smoke in your house, back deck, etc.

Just walking down the street you can't smoke. Which is pure BS. There might be a point about indoors, but there's no way to be affected outside.
 
i'm not surprised at all... but, california and calabasas aren't the 1st - only the latest.

when i was in the navy (early 90's), i visited singapore, and bought a t-shirt that read 'singapore is a fine city' and under that heading was a list of offenses that would get you a fine. chewing gum and smoking were on the list of no-no's...
 
Not smoking in public started as a ban on smoking in bars and restaurants. Now there are people making noise about no smoking on the beach or in state parks, because of the butts on the ground. Banning smoking, drugs and cell phones here would save a lot more lives than all the gun laws.:)
 
I might sign on to that law as long as perfume, men's after shave, public flatulation, smelly-ass diapers and kim-chee breath were outlawed also.:scrutiny:
Biker
 
C'mon Biker! You don't like the stench of a 16 year old slathered with Axe?
 
You dont have the right to poor poison in a public well. You dont have the right to burn toxic chemicals in public either.

Im SICK and tired of people blubbering "I have the right, I have the right..." NO, Youv been GIVEN the right and it can be taken away.

You dont have the right to smoke any more than you have the right to drive a car, or to fly a kite, or shoot your neibors cat on a whim.

Get a clue. :scrutiny:
 
Here are 3 smells I do like. The ocean. Cordite(or whatever it is in gunpowder). The exhaust when my bike first fires up.
 
Well mr. trooper, I refer you to the perfume and after shave that can prove to be fatal to people with COPD or plain ol' asthma.
Why not attack those health hazards?
You seem to be a bit...*emotional* about the subject.
Biker
 
It is horrible that we must breathe someones second hand smoke......of course the exhaust from the millions of automobiles won't harn you. The polutants given off by one automobile will certainly kill you but you don't hear them talking of parking them do you.
 
April 1st San Francisco's deadline

So if it makes any of you feel any better they have to turn in all handguns by the already extended deadline. So mr. trooper if you lived there of course you would obey the law and turn in all of your handguns, because that's better for me I would get to buy all your guns. But as the obiding citizen you are you would never sell them you would turn them in to be melted down......:rolleyes:
 
Im SICK and tired of people blubbering "I have the right, I have the right..." NO, Youv been GIVEN the right and it can be taken away.

Er,

If permission to excercise an action is "given", then said action is a 'privilege', not a 'right'.

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THE LESS PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE LITTLE THINGS, THE EASIER IT WILL BE FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THE BIG THINGS!!!

Sorry for the all capslock rant, but its true. The less you complain now, the more you will be conditioned to it later. It doesnt matter if you dont smoke, it doesnt matter if its not a constitutional right. The people need to make their voice heard or it will be drowned out later.
 
I challenge anyone to show me proof from a non-biased source that smoking causes cancer. Other health issues related to breathing, yes, cancer, I dont buy it.

How many lung cancer patients were smokers compared to how many weren't.

OK, here is my tin-foil hat moment, cancer rates sky rocketed starting in the early 50s, and have been dropping off in the last 10 years or so. Can you guess what else has been happening during that same time frame, massive above ground nuclear testing. There have been near 1000 bursts documented around the world.

I read a report that said every man, woman, and child alive during the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s have recieved the same amount of ionized radiation that people within 10 miles of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

If you think about all the people that avoid smoking, eat healthy and live clean not too mention children, that still get cancer. As well as all the people that smoke, drink, and eat junk food all thier lives that don't. How is that explained.
 
I wouldn't mind the outdoor smoking thing so much if I didn't see butts everywhere, on the ground, in the gutter, filling planters, all over the beaches, scattered all over the sidewalk outside buildings, being flung from cars, dropped, stepped on, ground into ornamental brickwork, and, in the rain, stinking with the stench of a thousand ashtrays.

Ever get hit with a flung, unextinguished butt at highway speeds, where the thing breaks into sparks and scatters over your nice finish? And you wish, for a fleeting second, your car had James Bond-like forward missile launchers? Or worse, getting hit with one while on a motorcycle?

If so many smokers weren't such SLOBS about dropping the things, or about letting out a cloud of rancid, putrid smoke from their nostrils (always so charming, that, about as much as flatulence) just as a nonsmoker passes by and is forced to choke on it...then they might not have been noticed to the point that they were being banned from public areas.

To equate this to guns, it'd be as if people were randomly pulling out their weapons and firing them (say with blanks) on crowded streets, causing a loud, unpleasant noise that bothered other people and could possibly do longterm damage...and were leaving brass everywhere. They don't, of course. But smokers do the equivalent.
 
I live in the CA county where this whole smoking ban frenzy initially started years ago, and I've had many discussions about these bans for over a decade with their proponents and champions.

I have found that the same "anti-" argument patterns emerge when faced with logic, whether it be smoking or firearms. It boils down to, "I don't do it. I don't like you doing it. And even if you will do it so that it doesn't affect me, I'd much rather remove your ability to do it legally at all. Because I can.""

No matter what they may say in public, these folks won't stop until smoking is totally outlawed. Then they will be freed up to place "reasonable restrictions" upon the next thing that they choose to focus on (but don't, of course do themselves).

(By the way, I am a 100% nonsmoker who had a loved one die of smoking-related emphysema. I have no love of cigarette smoke. I just find persecution distasteful, especially under the guise of "rightness".)

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torpid, i took your advice in your signature however...I didnt know who James Mason was so I just imagined everything you said in a James Earl Jones voice, it made everything that much more powerful and amazing. :D
 
These anti smoking things are such a joke. If public safety is the concern I feel as though alcohol, America's drug of choice, should be the real target. I am not for prohibition, but I am all for banning the sale and consumption of alcohol in any public place. It'll never happen though. A huge number of people are addicted to booze, there is too much money involved, and, like the old U.S.S.R., the .gov seems to like the idea of having a sizable portion of the populace operating under a perpetual haze.
 
DontBurnMyFlag-
Watch North by Northwest, or Disney's 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea to see Mr. Mason sounding great (and just because they're worth seeing). :)

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I wouldn't mind the outdoor smoking thing so much if I didn't see butts everywhere, on the ground, in the gutter, scattered all over the sidewalk outside buildings, being flung from cars, dropped, stepped on, ground into ornamental brickwork, and, in the rain, stinking with the stench of a thousand ashtrays.

If so many smokers weren't such SLOBS about dropping the things...
 
What we're seeing with laws such as these that apply to people who smoke isn't anything new or remarkable. Any group can identify behaviors that offend it and impose its beliefs on the rest of society. All it takes, really, is convincing a large enough number of other people to believe that the behaviors are wrong or unhealthy and that society has the duty to put a stop to those behaviors.

I'd like to see this particular issue decided more fairly than by force of numbers. I'd volunteer to spend an hour in an unventilated garage sitting next to someone who chain smoked cigarettes for the hour. Then the smoker and I would leave the garage while the garage was thoroughly ventilated to remove every trace of smoke: I wouldn't want anyone else to get cancer or other disease, of course. Next, everyone who wants to ban cigarette smoking because of danger from second hand smoke should take a turn in that same garage, while their own or their family's car is left running for an hour. There would be a ballot box right outside the garage so they could register their vote against smokers as they leave.

That's really the fair way to qualify people for voting on this issue. I doubt that many people would vote against second hand smoke after passing such a qualifying test.
 
Manedwolf said:
for a fleeting second, your car had James Bond-like forward missile launchers?

I don't know about you but using a missle launcher to kill somebody because you got hit with a lit butt is kinda overkill don't you think. It's people like this that should not own any kind of firearms.

ID_shooting said:
OK, here is my tin-foil hat moment

LoL!

So the guy standing next to the diesel Mercedes/semi truck smoking a butt is less likely to pollute the air with lead/arsenic!! Refinery's are so good now that there is no harm in our atmosphere.:rolleyes: China can't build these things without United Nations approval because we as Americans already polluted the sky so much with green gas, and up and coming countrys are not allowed to build these types of refinery's due to the fact that we already killed our atmosphere. So why not pick on the smokers because the little voices just don't count, I ride dessert on my motorcycle and get booby traps from enviro"mental"ist on our trails they try to kill us to save the trees..:confused: As far as I know hikers are the enemy they litter the trails with their granola wrappings leave thier empty water bottles everywhere but of course they are the true nature lovers that care about our enviroment and will kill anybody that stands in their way:banghead:
 
I used to smoke, the wife still smokes and I don't care if you smoke outside or not. I'm not going to tell you you cant. Just don't smoke around me when I'm eating a meal. Other than that, smoke til your hearts content.

Guess I'm neutral on the whole deal.
 
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