"No weapons allowed at work" in Florida

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So both of my jobs have a "no weapons" policy. One of them is a restaurant, the other requires work on power plants. My question is, is it illegal to CCW at either of these places? Or am I only risking a firing?
 
Depends where you live.

Some states don't allow any weapons in bars. Others don't have any restrictions (like Idaho). Some have odd restrictions (like Montana -- CCW everywhere except bars, but OC is legal in bars).

May also depend on who owns the power plant.
 
At the power plant you also risk being arrested as a possible terrorist. Power plants are a major no-no for carrying unless you are a member of the security detail
 
Well, if its a nuclear plant, it's a no go - not even in your car.

As far as the restaurant, stay out of the bar area. Otherwise, you are simply risking your employment. Keeping it in your car, locked, is 100% ok and specifically protected by FL law.
 
It is allowed in your car at the station where I work. Just DO NOT forget and take it in the plant with you.

That's gonna be a bad day.
 
As far as the restaurant, stay out of the bar area
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he is an employee not a patron. Florida is a "right to work state", you can be fired for nothing. If your boss says "no guns", then its "no guns". Your best bet is to ask a lawyer for legal advice, not a bunch of people that stayed at Holiday Inn last night. I do care if you get arrested, but it will not affect me if you do.
 
As I understand it, it's perfectly legal to carry at both.

Also as I understand it, the not being allowed to carry in the restaurant bar thing only applies to patrons, not employees.

You should be fine (though you could get fired).

Finally, IMO everyone here who lives in FL should own a copy of Guttmacher's book. Read it cover to cover (after reading the FL statutes as they pertain to CCW in their entirety - but we know you've already done that), and keep it around as a reference. Better yet, keep it in your car.
 
If it's private property, and the owners have asked you to surrender your right to self defense there, why not heed their wishes?

They were kind enough to employ you, at least respect their right to regulating what's on their own property. They aren't the government, what they do cannot be unconstitutional and, regardless of whether or not we think it is right, it's their land and they can do with it as they please.

Don't agree with the policies? Find two more jobs.
 
Don't agree with the policies? Find two more jobs.
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Good luck with that. I guess the question is the risk. How exposed do you feel at, and on your way to these jobs. I live in an area, where my primary reason for carying is because I can... if you are in that camp maybe the risk is greater then the return.

If you are in serious danger, well... CCW means concealed.
 
You'll get fired, but that's no consulation to your family who will bury you because you were so worried about it that you obeyed like a good little sheep.

I have some problem people in my job. They don't like me, nor should they.

My job makes a strong statement no carry in work. No carry either in car. For my job, I'm rarely at my work building, and my work can in no way ensure my safety out and about.

A lot time ago I spoke with my family, and it was a decision we all came to that if I'm fired ok, I'm not dead. I think it's a decision you need to make together, as if you are fired you will be in it together.
 
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Also as I understand it, the not being allowed to carry in the restaurant bar thing only applies to patrons, not employees.
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From Florida Statute 790.06 Subsection 12:

" No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into... any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose..."

The law does NOT appear to differentiate between patron and employee, at least as far as my non-legally trained eyes see it.

Scott
 
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Does or doesn't?

Many, probably most, states allow owners or employees (if allowed by the owner) of a business to carry guns if they want to, while on the premises. That even included DC pre-Heller.

It's probably a completely different law from CC licensing laws, as it would be in any state.
 
I'm so happy that I am going to be self employed/contract basis from now on. I hate stupid no guns allowed policies.
 
scottaschultz said:
From Florida Statute 790.06 Subsection 12:

" No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into... any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose..."

The law does NOT appear to differentiate between patron and employee, at least as far as my non-legally trained eyes see it.

Scott
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Hmmm, you're probably right. I was thinking of employees who carry with their employers permission - this is apart from a CCW permit holder, and employees certainly can carry (even in a bar) with their employers permission.

However, since the OP doesn't have his employers blessing, I assume he's treated just as a regular CCW holder - which could get him in hot water for carrying in the bar.

Interesting scenario, I'm not 100% sure what the answer is I wonder if there's any case law on it.
 
In NC,

A sign must read "NO CONCEALED WEAPONS" or "NO CONCEALED HANDGUNS", it must contain CONCEALED in order to apply to concealed carry permit holders. The law is very dim in this area, but clearly states it MUST have those words in the sign. No CONCEALED Weapons, just a "NO WEAPONS" sign doesn't apply to CCP holders in NC.

Not sure about Florida OP.

Example: I used to work in a mall, the mall had a sign posted that had a picture of a handgun, crossed out, and read NO WEAPONS ALLOWED. It then had a general statute listed, NC GS 14-269, to be exact. It clearly states in this statute that a person with the proper state issued permit (including CCP) CAN carry.

There is also GS 14‑415.11 which clearly states the only reasons concealed carry permits are invalid for places. There is no invalid reason such as just a sign stating "NO WEAPONS ALLOWED".
 
A private business can do whatever they want. Your choices are: 1 - follow policy and hope nothing happens to you; 2 - carry anyway and risk discovery and firing; or 3 - find employment elsewhere.
 
In Texas "on the premises" is defined as in the building. The parking lot or grounds outside are considered on "the property". The only possible exception (in Texas) is if there is a sign at all entrances to the parking lot forbidding handguns.(and even then, it must reference the statute by number to be valid. 30.06)
 
Straight from the Florida CCW licensing division:

"An employer has every right to establish policies that restrict employees from carrying weapons or firearms while on the job. The employer could not make a criminal complaint about a violation of Chapter 790 against an employee who carried a weapon or firearm on the job; however, the employer can enforce policy through an execution of disciplinary action against employees who fail to comply. It is also a possibility that the employer could pursue criminal trespass charges against the offending employee."

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/FORMS/P-00091-Concealed Weapons.pdf
 
An employer has every right to establish policies that restrict employees from carrying weapons or firearms while on the job. The employer could not make a criminal complaint about a violation of Chapter 790 against an employee who carried a weapon or firearm on the job; however, the employer can enforce policy through an execution of disciplinary action against employees who fail to comply. It is also a possibility that the employer could pursue criminal trespass charges against the offending employee.
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One caveat: An employer cannot restrict an employee from having a weapon secured in his vehicle in the parking lot.
 
Times have got to change.Purge the Soprano's,let the sunlight of clean open government in.
Here's for a future corrupt free,democratic in the pure sense of the word,New Jersey.
I can dream,can't I?
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Sorry, theres no hope for Jersey man. I feel your pain.
 
Side note: Here in Tallahassee, the paper ran a story a couple weeks ago that the Dept. of Agriculture (the department that processes and issues CWPs here in FL) was so swamped with permit requests that they had to hire more people just to process the applications, and to keep from falling behind.
 
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