NOLA Mayor Sending NOLA LEOs on Vegas Vacation

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I don't know, maybe I'm over-reacting to this. People working to make things right in NO will most certainly be needing some time off, but this sounds so much like a typical "business as usual" New Orleans political perk that it's not funny.

And he actually wanted FEMA to pay for this. I can't help but wonder what the outcry would be if Bush suggested this. Well anyways, sending them to Sin City has an appropriateness to it...

Mods: feel free to delete if this is not an appropriate thread direction given the current situation in NOLA.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/n...&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

September 5, 2005
City to Offer Free Trips to Las Vegas for Officers
By JOSEPH B. TREASTER and CHRISTOPHER DREW

NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 4 - A day after two police suicides and the abrupt resignations or desertions of up to 200 police officers, defiant city officials on Sunday began offering five-day vacations - and even trips to Las Vegas - to the police, firefighters and city emergency workers and their families.

The idea of paid vacations was raised by both Mayor C. Ray Nagin and senior police officials who said that their forces were exhausted and traumatized and that the arrival of the National Guard had made way for the officers to be relieved.

"I'm very concerned about individuals who have been here, particularly since the first few days, and have been through a lot of hardship," Mr. Nagin said in an interview.

He said most of the police officers, firefighters and emergency medical workers "are starting to show signs of very, very serious stress, and this is a way to give them time to reunite with their families."

Mr. Nagin, who has been demanding more federal assistance for days as his city struggled with despair, death and flooding, said he had asked the Federal Emergency Management Agency to pay for the trips but the agency said it could not. He said the city, therefore, would pay the costs.

He said he believed there were now enough National Guard members in the city to allow the police to take a break and still keep the city secure, and he brushed off questions about whether such a trip might look like a dereliction of duty.

"I'll take the heat on that," Mr. Nagin said. "We want to cater to them."

His words were seconded by the police superintendent, P. Edwin Compass III, in a separate interview. "When you go through something this devastating and traumatic," Mr. Compass said, "you've got to do something dramatic to jump-start the healing process."

The officials were planning to send 1,500 workers out in two shifts for five days each. They are sending them to Las Vegas because of the availability of hotel rooms and to Atlanta because many of them had relatives there.

They said that they were trying to get the first officers on their way on Monday and that the first stop would be Baton Rouge, about 75 miles from here.

There the officers will be given physical examinations and inoculations against possible infection from the polluted floodwaters, said Col. Terry Ebbert, the director of homeland security for the city, who has authority over the police and fire departments and other emergency services.

Then, Colonel Ebbert and other officials said, those who want to go to Las Vegas or Atlanta will be given air transportation and a hotel room. The city is reserving hotel rooms in Baton Rouge, they said, adding that the officers and firefighters may also be given the choice of flying to other cities.

Colonel Ebbert, the senior official running the recovery and rescue operation, and Mr. Compass both said that they planned to take a break as well, but probably for less than five days, and that they would continue to direct the recovery by telephone.

Officials said they expected the military, with much greater resources, to expand rescue work, begin cleaning up the city and take the first steps toward reconstruction.

W. J. Riley, the deputy superintendent of police, said that by late Sunday afternoon more than 2,900 National Guard members and law enforcement officers from around the country were operating in New Orleans. By early evening, Mr. Riley said, the advance units of a 2,200-person force from the 82nd Airborne Division had landed.

Several thousand more soldiers were expected, including members of the First Cavalry Division.

Reinforcements are also expected for the fire department. Senior firefighters, who have been forced to ignore some fires and to try merely to keep the worst blazes from spreading, said that several hundred firefighters with fire engines and radio equipment were heading for New Orleans from departments around the country.

New Orleans officials said they would remain in charge. Mr. Riley, who has been on the police force for 24 years, will oversee the police department in the superintendent's absence.

"We haven't turned over control of the city," Colonel Ebbert said.

Mr. Riley said that 40 percent of the city's force of about 1,200 officers would remain at their posts while the others were on leave. When the first group returns, Mr. Riley said, those who stayed behind will get a break.

Deputy Fire Chief Joseph Matthews, who is also the director of the city's Office of Emergency Preparedness, said officials viewed the time off for their security forces as essential. "We've been at this six days and we need to give our people a break," he said.
 
Not a biggie. I read a news article that NYPD has sent 300 officers to NO; that should about even things out.

Bet you won't see any NOPD t-shirts after this disaster.
 
I got a phone call yesterday asking if any members of my section had experience living in southern Louisiana. The plan is that people with experience in the area can help 1st Cav's 2nd Brigade get around the area since it helps to have knowledge of the area if you're going to be operating here. Sounds like a better use of police forces than hitting the slots...

When I was in Iraq and things heated up enough where we requested extra troops, the ones that were already there didn't go home. We all pitched in. Any cop who doesn't want to stay and help out their own hometown isn't worth pinning a badge on. A couple of days off to catch their breath, sure, but Vegas? :fire:
Deputy Fire Chief Joseph Matthews, who is also the director of the city's Office of Emergency Preparedness, said officials viewed the time off for their security forces as essential. "We've been at this six days and we need to give our people a break," he said.
I went five months without a day off in Iraq. They had to force me to take R&R leave because I didn't want to leave my troops hanging. Live up to your oath, people.
 
Just heard on the TV news that over 200 NOPD "officers" (magnanimous use of the term) had quit. What a disgrace!
 
Just heard on the TV news that over 200 NOPD "officers" (magnanimous use of the term) had quit. What a disgrace!
I'd like to see how most of you'd respond if you had family to take care of and had to get them to safety. If it were me, I'd pull up my tent stakes and move on. If I were single, perhaps my sense of duty would be higher and I would stick around and help out. Sorry, but family comes first.

Greg
 
Well, to begin with, I'd never have been an l.e.o., to begin with. However, the fact that they deserted in such numbers is a disgrace. You think they're the only l.e.o.'s to have to face a disaster that affected their families???
 
I'd like to see how most of you'd respond if you had family to take care of and had to get them to safety. If it were me, I'd pull up my tent stakes and move on. If I were single, perhaps my sense of duty would be higher and I would stick around and help out. Sorry, but family comes first.
Great attitude.

I hope you are not a sworn LEO.
 
I'd like to see how most of you'd respond if you had family to take care of and had to get them to safety. If it were me, I'd pull up my tent stakes and move on. If I were single, perhaps my sense of duty would be higher and I would stick around and help out. Sorry, but family comes first.
I would put them in the car and send them to Grandma's house, then do the job I had sworn to do, even without a Vegas vacation.
 
I don't recall the NYPD asking for any special consideration. They just did their jobs, under equally harrowing circumstances.

If I were living in New Orleans, I would have to ask the question. "If the only way to get them to do their jobs is to bribe them, do I really want them?"

I say good riddance. It's an opportunity for the NOPD to clean house and start fresh.
 
Isn't the reason the levees didn't get fixed right the first time was because they didn't have enough money? Hmmm..... Maybe they are hoping the cops can win some money in Vegas to bring back to help out?
 
Maybe Nagin want to send the cops that quit and ransacked ATM machines to Vegas to multiply their ill gotten earnings.
 
Bet you won't see any NOPD t-shirts after this disaster.
I saw the chief speaking on TV last night (wearing a NOPD hat*). He was ranting in a semi-literate way that made the mayor look like a genious. I was truely in disbelief that such a person could be in charge of a major city police department.


*Maybe it should read "No PD"
 
I'd like to see how most of you'd respond if you had family to take care of and had to get them to safety. If it were me, I'd pull up my tent stakes and move on. If I were single, perhaps my sense of duty would be higher and I would stick around and help out.
Well, perhaps you are not aware of the oath law enforcement officers are sworn to upon taking the job ...

On another note, I don't recall anyone offering me a week's paid vacation in Las Vegas after I finished up ten months in Iraq ...
 
I'd like to see how most of you'd respond if you had family to take care of and had to get them to safety
They would of been sent to family members outside of the danger zone before the storm even hit.

I did it for Hugo. Left them in Greenville SC and went back to Myrtle Beach to help them dig out from the aftermath. They were fine. The wife has become self sufficient over the years as an active duty dependent.
 
I see nothing wrong with taking guys 'off the line' for a few days of R&R. Vegas probably isn't a bad idea. Dry, sand, mountains, orderly ...... a complete change from what those guys see now.

Give them some R&R, time to talk to the shrinks, a few days sleep, decent food, and family time. It would probably do wonders for their morale. Then they could go back to work the disaster.
 
[sarcasm]I see nothing wrong with taking guys 'off the line' for a few days of R&R. Vegas probably isn't a bad idea. Dry, sand, mountains, orderly ...... a complete change from what those guys see now.

Give them some R&R, time to talk to the shrinks, a few days sleep, decent food, and family time. It would probably do wonders for their morale. Then they could go back to work the disaster.[/sarcasm]
Edited by me. Bold emphasis mine.
 
Some of the officers who quit may have done so out of disgust...
It will still probably put a damper on their law enforcement careers, no matter the reason.

On the other hand, FEMA's probably hiring ... :D
 
That was news to the one I know who was fortunate to get out of the Superdome in one piece. He's going back on Monday, with no place to live.
 
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