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non-petro oils

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Franco2shoot, Oct 26, 2006.

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  1. Franco2shoot

    Franco2shoot Member

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    Last nite while thinking about the sticky cylinder pin on my Uberti 1858 Remington, I recalled working on a farm on the East coast of Scotland many years ago. For those not into agriculture, farmers routinely rotate what they plant in fields, and one of the crops in the rotation is called Rape, grown for the Rapeseed and the oil it produces(beautiful to see in the fields with a small yellow flower). I had never heard of it and the farmer told me it was used as a light machine oil. One of those useless facts that you store in some recess of your brain.

    So as I tossed and turned thinking about how I am going to clean the pin and remove the 3n1 type lubricant after reading all the previous threads here in THR, I recalled that long ago comment, and today I did a little search. Wow, what a find.. see the following link http://www.karinya.com/canola.htm

    Seems that replacing the 3 n 1 on the Remington with Rapeoil might not only be good for my weapon, but also good for my health..


    You'll have to go read the thread...
    PS. I'm still gonna pick up some Bore butter, and Crisco.;)

    KKKKFL
     
  2. 4v50 Gary

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    There are other oils that are available. I first learned of bear oil from Ned Roberts' classic book, The Muzzle Loading Cap Lock Rifle. Effen I ever kill a b'ar, I'm going to render the fat into oil. Ymmm.
     
  3. Steve499

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    I carry a small bottle of olive oil in my shooting box. It's all I ever lubricate the bore with on any of my black powder guns. Canola would probably work even better as it seems to be a little thinner than olive oil at normal temperatures.

    Gary, I have Roberts' book also. I, too have been keeping my eyes open for a bear. I have been looking harder for a sperm whale, though, but so far, without any luck! Not even any tracks!

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    They usually don't make it as far inland as Missouri before someone takes em out! There's some traditionalists between you and the coast that are keepin the sperm whales from makin it into your area...:p

    Dang bears around here keep gettin hit by trucks before I can get to em. ;)
     
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    Take that canola oil or olive oil mix it with beeswax, soy wax, or bolwax, and parafin. The wax holds and carries the oil when fired keeps the fouling soft and barrel clean if mixed right. I shoot Rems or Colts all day long without binding or having to clean them. Make um on the stiff. I use nothing else. The lube pill goes between the powder and the ball for best results.
     
  6. Steve499

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    Yep, S_G, that's the way to go. I only use the pure olive oil to saturate patches with to lube the chambers and bore during final cleaning. The wax/oil mix would work just as well then, too, if you could get it evenly applied down a musket barrel, but it seems to play out on a patch before it gets back to the breech. The "active" ingredient in the wax/oil lube is the oil, the wax is in there as a stiffener, sort of, so the straight oil comes in handy to protect between sessions.

    Steve
     
  7. Franco2shoot

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    wax

    Where's the best place to get beeswax, soy wax, or bolwax, and parafin?
    Do I just stir it in a coffee cup then pour into a small tin like the one I have for the caps?

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  8. motorcycle_dan

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    Source for Beeswax

    Here ya go.
    http://www.ebeehoney.com/
    No affiliation, just very satisfied customer.
    OR
    I'll trade you some beeswax for some mutton tallow.
    You find mutton tallow and let me know
     
  9. Plink

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    Frano, I know it doesn't meet your requirements for being non petroleum, but Ballistol is the best thing I've found for keeping BP revolvers clean and working. Makes a good patch lube for muzzleloaders, and a great cleaning solvent mixed with water. Lubing the pin with it keeps the cylinder spinning free for quite a while. Cleaning the pin is as simple as wiping it and applying more Ballistol.
     
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    Franco2 and MC Dan;
    You might try the Middle Eastern or Mexican groceries that I suspect you have in your neck of the woods. Ask for "tallow" or mutton fat or "mantecoso de carnero" (in mexican). You'll probably have to render it yourself which is easy to do if you have unspoiled fat to start with. Don't settle for "lard" which is pig fat renderings and not what you are after. Don't buy fat that smells funny. You'll be living by yourself before you finish rendering it (if you're not already).:barf: A pound or so of fat will render 4-5 oz of tallow in 2-3 hours. Google tallow or mutton tallow for a receipe.
    People uesd to eat this cr@p spread on bread.
    Just slaughtered two goats I raised this summer and rendered maybe 16 oz. Chops taste pretty good though.
     
  11. Franco2shoot

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    cooking 101

    Yikes! this thread is turning into a Julia Childes outback cooking segment... I think I'll stick with Plink's recommended Ballistol.

    Thanks guys.. can't wait to try BP shooting in the Remmy this weekend. Hopefully I can load er up a little faster and not have to hammer the pin out each time.

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    Another vote for Ballistol if it fits your needs.

    Sounds much better than rendering tallow in the kitchen (wife would kill me for sure:uhoh: )
     
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    Mutton Tallow

    I'll trade you some beeswax for some mutton tallow.
    You find mutton tallow and let me know

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    Dan,
    How much you want? I am nearly ready to take a lamb over to the locker and I can save some tallow for yuh.

    Some diesel injector repair shops still use mutton tallow for lapping in the injectors too, but that is probably an old place, not the newer ones.
    I have seen them doing it.
    Beau
     
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    The best subsitute for Sperm Whale oil is a product calles Jojoba Oil. I have been uing it for the last few years both as a patch lube and a preservative.

    Oneshooter
    Livin in Texas
     
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    You can get about a pound of mutton tallow from Dixie Gunworks for about $5 plus S&H.

    I really like Ballistol on the cylinder base pins of my Remingtons. Works great to keep them from getting gummed up, and learned about it in this here forum.
     
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