Non registerd SBR.

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I know you can make an AK or any other kit gun that doesn't have a serial number,but you can't transfer or sell it. I was wondering what you wanted to do if you wanted to make a Sten and used an original length barrel, but an handmade reciver.? Thanks.
 
Still an illegal unregistered SBR. People still get arrested for making their own unregistered suppressors, this would be no different. The tax is only $200. Cheap insurance to not end up spending the next 10 years of your life in federal prison.
 
I know you can make an AK or any other kit gun that doesn't have a serial number,but you can't transfer or sell it.
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This is false. A non-manufacturer can make a completely sterile (unmarked) Title I firearm as long as there's no intent to make and sell as a business. You can sell it, gift it, leave it to an heir, or otherwise legally transfer it later on.

I was wondering what you wanted to do if you wanted to make a Sten and used an original length barrel, but an handmade reciver.? Thanks.
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Not legal as a Form 1 is required before the firearm is made if not being done by a manufacturer w/ SOT (they would file a Form 2).
 
As usual, Bubbles is right on. You can make and sell Title 1 guns if you want to, as long as you are not in the business of being a manufacturer. You can NOT make an NFA item without a tax stamp under any circumstance (as a non manufacturer)
 
I want a semi-auto short-barreled Auto Ordinance (I think it's owned by Kahr now) Thompson reproduction, but Illinois won't let me have one. :cuss: Curses!
 
This is false. A non-manufacturer can make a completely sterile (unmarked) Title I firearm as long as there's no intent to make and sell as a business. You can sell it, gift it, leave it to an heir, or otherwise legally transfer it later on.
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Don't you need to engrave it with a serial number and your name, plus city, and state of manufacture before selling it?

Individuals manufacturing sporting-type firearms for their own use need not hold Federal
Firearms Licenses (FFLs). However, we suggest that the manufacturer at least identify the
firearm with a serial number as a safeguard in the event that the firearm is lost or stolen. Also,
the firearm should be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92 if it is sold or otherwise lawfully
transferred in the future
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Don't you need to engrave it with a serial number and your name, plus city, and state of manufacture before selling it?
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I used to believe so. However, the law doesn't really require it.

Notice, this may be the only place in the BATFE's entire litany of published documents where they use the phrase, "we suggest..."
 
To return to the OP's orignal question

I was wondering what you wanted to do if you wanted to make a Sten and used an original length barrel, but an handmade reciver.?

The answer to this question depends on whether you wanted to make a semi or FA gun. A semi is possible with the proper barrel length (16 inches) and OAL (26 inches) as a Title 1 firearm. A FA Sten can't be done by an individual. There's no stamp to buy and no tax to be paid. It simply can't be done since the law changed in 1986.

I think the OP was asking about a semi, using the original (FA) length barrel, and "home made" receiver. The two lengths mentioned above would govern in this case. To use the original length (short) barrel, you would need the Form 1 filed and approved and the tax paid and the stamp received prior to assembling the weapon.
 
I was wondering what you wanted to do if you wanted to make a Sten and used an original length barrel, but an handmade reciver.? Thanks.
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The barrel length issue aside (as I think we've got that covered now), also understand that the version of home-made receiver you create needs to be one that the BATFE has approved as true-enough semi-auto.

Most of the classic simple blow-back subguns are incredibly simple. They fire from the open bolt. Pull the trigger and the bolt flies forward, chambering a round and firing it almost simultaneously (sometimes not even quite in the order you'd expect!) and then the bolt flies back and does it again. All the trigger/sear mechanism does is get out of the way and stay down until you want to stop the fun.

To be a legal semi-auto version two things have to happen.

1) The firing mechanism must be designed that lets this thing fire from the closed bolt. That often means that a hammer and firing pin get introduced into a system where there were neither before. That requires a much more complex pile of parts completely different from almost anything in the gun before, including drilling the bolt out for a firing pin and fp retainer.

2) The receiver must be constructed so that there is no possible way that any of the original full auto parts -- usually including the bolt itself -- could ever be installed in it. Sometimes the tube inner diameter has to be too small for the old bolt. Sometimes there are blocking tabs welded inside the tube and the semi-auto bolt is milled out to slide past them.

It's a pretty big deal to backwards-engineer such a conversion. It certainly can be done, and there are kits that others have developed and gotten approved that you can use.

Just make sure you aren't coming up with something on your own that's too close to the original.

Just because your gun doesn't fire full-automatic does NOT mean the BATFE cannot consider it an illegal machine gun. :eek:
 
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