Non Tactical EDC

[pete f]

I carry a buck odyssey. every where, feel naked without it. it is a tool.

A working knife is a tool like a pen, my watch, it allows me to open things, mark lengths of wood to a very fine amount, a pencil leaves about a .040 line on wood, a sharp knive leaves about an .008 line. And yes that is enough difference to make it matter in what I do.

A sharp knife is a life saving tool as well, I have twice had to cut myself free from sinking boats. I have cut my hand free once from getting a piece of sheet steel snag it on a commercial exterior. (no other way to get my hand off, working all alone on installing new windows)

There are good knifes available today that mean the old slip joint folder is really obsolete. After seeing what an old but sharp Sod Buster did to my father in law after a billy goat started thrashing in the pen and some how managed to get the knife to snap closed on his kuckles, i will never use a slip joint again.

 

[Matt_W]

Hi hso your assessment of the UK legislation is spot on, your understanding is better than lots of us who live here.

The only point I would add is that any person may carry a weapon for self defence if they have lawful authority or a reasonable excuse.

For example there was a person who ran out into the street to confront a group of men who were smashing his windows armed with an ASP type baton recently and he was found to have had a reasonable excuse. He also had lawful authority as he was performing the function of a Constable in the absence of the Police to prevent a Breach of the Queen's peace.

Lawful authority covers the Police but it also extends to the everyday citizens who have a duty to prevent breaches of the Queen's peace and can cite the English Bill of Rights because as every Law Student knows we do not have a higher form of lawful authority in the UK than an Act of Parliament!

When I need to carry a knife I carry a CS Gunsite II or a CS Ti-Lite because I like the additional safety of a locking blade. I also carry a Swiss Army knife for the scissors.

 

[Fred Fuller]

Steve,

I have no use any more for a knife I can't open with one hand, so that leaves out the more traditional style multibladed folders for me. And there's generally no issue with locking blade folders here in NC, long as blades are under 4" (except of course in schools). I've carried the same two knives for a good many years now- a Benchmade AFCK (small) clipped in the right front pants pocket and a little Spyderco Dragonfly among the pocket change, nail clippers, ChapStick and the spare magazine for my CCW (in a nylon pouch) in the left. The Benchmade is reserved for nonutilitarian dutues, the Spyderco does all the work.

I told you about stopping by Smoky Mountain Knife Works' new store just off I-40 on the way home from Pigeon Forge last week- The Good Doctor bought herself a Dragonfly too, to go along with the new yellow- handled Salt I she also picked out at the same time. She was always impressed at how I field dressed then hung, skinned and butchered out her first deer with the Dragonfly and she latched onto one for herself. I had told her I wasn't buying any more Spydercos for her to seed the place with and gave her a pair of Kabar/Dozier lockback folders instead (she carries a folder on each side also). Well, she didn't like me telling her that she could lose a $20 knife just as well as she could a $50 knife, and went and bought her own first chance she got. Interestingly enough she managed to keep up with both of the Kabars for almost two years. We'll see how the Spydercos hold out...

lpl/nc

 

[Fosbery]

Yes, pretty much spot on.

Carrying a knife 'in case I get attacked' is illegal, as self-defence is not considered a good reason in a court of law, and also because you would be carrying the knife as a weapon and it would be an offensive weapon to boot.

However, you can carry a knife for self-defence for a specific reason. If your car is parked up the road and someone is breaking into it, it would be legal to take a knife with you when confronting the person breaking into it as you are attending a breach of the peace, to restore the Queen's peace, and thus have the lawful authority of a Constable. This also applies to any weapon.

When I need to carry a knife for a reason, well it depends on the reason. When shooting I take a Leatherman Wave, when out in the woods I use a custom Woodlore clone and sometimes take a Laplander saw or a machete in my rucksack as well as cutlery for preparing and eating food of course. If I'm going to Ikea or something like that, I'll take my Emerson CQC-7.

But when just out and about with no specific reason, I carry a UKPK or a Loveless City knife and sometimes a SAK. Around the house I carry an Applegate Fairbairn.

 

[Third_Rail]

Knives are illegal in schools?


Ought to tell my teachers, the other students, the program director, etc. at my school.


It's odd to see someone without at least a little $5 jackknife. A couple of people have really nice EDC pieces, too - one gent has a Lone Wolf folder, though I don't like the liner lock.

 

[Jalexander]

There are good knifes available today that mean the old slip joint folder is really obsolete. After seeing what an old but sharp Sod Buster did to my father in law after a billy goat started thrashing in the pen and some how managed to get the knife to snap closed on his kuckles, i will never use a slip joint again.

I've seen the same thing happen, Pete, but I don't think that that means slipjoints are obsolete. As I said earlier in this thread, my dad castrated many bull calves with an Eye Brand trapper, as well as ear-marking them, opening abscesses, and many other things. However, when I'm working around animals I used a fixed blade, specifically a Bark River Mini-Canadian; it sharpens up well, and with the micarta handle and the blade shape I can choke up on it so it just won't slip. I still carry one of my many slipjoints and use them for things that they're good for, like whittling, cutting food, and making cuts when I don't want to scare the sheeple.

Steve and others have referred to the fact that slipjoints are less intimidating to the 'sheeple', which is nothing but the truth. I carry slipjoints is because I like them better than the various one-handed opening folders; they're less obtrusive, with multiple blades each blade can have a different sharpness, and for the most part I just think that they look nicer. I think that carrying a slipjoint is just another expression of something we all believe in, which is to choose the right tool for the right job. My Benchmade 710 has its place, but so does my Moore Maker stockman. In my opinion, as long as slipjoints do the job that they were meant to do they'll never be obsolete.

James

 

[Fosbery]

I would never use slipjoints if the law allowed it, I'm not going to risk a knife closing on my fingers or breaking altogether in a tough job. The only reason I sometimes use slipjoints is because I can't carry a lock knife whenever I want. You can get lock knives which look like tradition slip joints, but to be honest I'm not a huge fan of the old slipjoint look. I much prefer the traditional Scandinavian or English buschraft look (and some of the modern 'tactical' knives don't look too bad either).

 

[sm]

Problem

All this Non Tactical is probably me.

It is said: one cannot change people places and things - the only thing a person can do is change themselves. *

Additonally : Acceptance is the key.*

* Yes those comes straight out of the playbook for 12 Steps, I have been sober since '84.

Now for a lot of living problems - as those of us have , and quit doing what made matters worse, great!

Being the hard-headed Southern Boy I am , how raised - I still got a problem with these When it comes to Gubmint Meddlin' and Tyranny.

Sorry Mr. Bill - I ain't gonna change me by accepting Tryanny.

I may have been a practicing drunk once - even then I would not, and for darn sure being a sober not gonna do it.

So I have had this feeling for a some time, even before I got involved in Internet Forums , about Living Life and what all one does to Function in Activities of Daily Living [ADLs].

The time I was born, Mentors, Elders, Life Experiences all shape MY belief systems.

Strategy was how one went about doing something.

Tactics ways and means of carrying out a task.

Understand at this time Catch-22 was not part of our language because the Book by Joseph Heller was not written until 1961, and the Movie until 1970.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22

I was born in 1955. My point being language changes.

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[sm]

Problem cont'd

Great thing about coming up poor :

- better enforces the idea to learn the correct basic fundamentals.
- learn how the brain is always with you, so train the brain
- one learns by mistakes - just a whole less expensive and painful if learned from someone else's mistakes.
- just because something is new, does not mean it is better
- just because something is advertised, does not mean the advertisment is telling the truth.
- common sense and street smarts does not alway come from a building with Education on the door.
-History is a great teacher - ignore history and you may yourself repeating mistakes.

-Redundancy in everything.

 

[sm]

Problem Cont'd

Folks were self reliant, and just took care of life,carried on in ADLs. Folks did not Project, instead Planned.

No 911, most folks shared a party line, and still lots of folks did not have phones...too rural.

Some lived not too far from Prisons, Prisons than inmates worked the fields, some trusties would come to town, to get supplies, not uncommon for inmates to come out and be being repair on roads, - Chain Gangs - doing all sort of repair, maybe after a tornado coming in to clean up.

This is still being done, and not just the little towns. I am in the Big city. Has not been long ago the horse trailer pulled into the parking lot 2 blocks from me, and the inmates arrived by bus to do some work on a big creek. Nor has it been long since same horses came down my cul-de-sac, helicopter in the air, bicycles with LEOs and EMTs taking care of another matter.

Heck I was babysitting a house and sick folks and awoke to Deputy Sheriff kncking on the door , his horse being held by another Deputy, and " gonna check out back on the property, anything suspicious last night? We will check back when we leave, just keep an eye out just in case..."

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I /we were able to carry on with ADLs back then - as we do today using the old definitions of Strategy and Tactics.

Not so much "what tool" we used - more so "having a tool" and knowing how to use the tool for a task.

 

[sm]

Cont'd

Practical tools that work[ed].

Old Hickory kitchen knives are not expensive, multiples are bought as backups.
Some are used as letter openers at the office, many ride in the vehicle, might want to snag something from the garden as one heads back toward the house

Extra Tire tool , just a single lug, not the 4 way are handy for a lot of uses. Maybe as a pry bar, jack handle, to keep a door/ gate open.

Bug Spray with a long reach spray in the vehicle, arrive at the shed, barn, picnic table on the property and have a need to rid wasps...

I still like an old oak axe handle for a variety of uses from bumping tire to see if inflated enough, to hitting rocks, to batting down a cobweb I need to get past.

Simple walking sticks and canes - I can check the depth of water before I step into it, the ditch full of wate to see where the crosstie is so I make sure I drive onto it to pass by...

Cokes and all taste better from a glass - Just hold onto the base if the necks should break...

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See back when, with the Cold War, Missles pointed at us from Cuba, JFK and Dallas and Gov't Gun Grabbing of '68, well ...

-Folks had always hoarded and put back them single shot shotguns and .22 rifles, Medium Frame .38 specials and ways to reload ammo, except .22, LOTs of .22 ammo put back.

-Old Hickory and Slip Joints/ Pocket knives put back.

-There was that concern many times over the years , that them Buck 110s and similar might come to the attention of the same Gun Grabbers of '68.

-Folks taught, passed forward, and kept training the brain - them correct basic fundamentals.
Never said a newer tool was not learned - then again them old ones never stopped being taught and trained with either.

-Some life skills should never be lost, like NOT learning with a crutch, lose the crutch you fall down.

Lock feature fail - now the knife is more dangerous than a slip joint.

I guess the Problem is me after all.

I'm Not that old, not that young either. Just seen some definitions get lost, some new ones added. Some things not being made anymore, some skills and crafts getting more lost, if not already lost.

Some brand names now gone - or if the name is still around the product is gone - all that remains is the name.

It was not long ago a manual typwriter was used to send a letter in regard to legislation, envelope typed as well.

Just a old medium frame revolver, on a hip, slip joint in the pocket and a Single shot shotgun in the corner while all this "old fashioned" stuff going on...
then again the oil lamp provided light, as the power was out, no phones, not even a cell phone.
Lever Action 30-30 handy too - being more rural if matters got to that...4 cell Mag light still works...a AA handy on the desk if need...

Had emergency power handy, just, well..."boy, sometimes one has practice to keep familar is all...some stuff don't ever need to be forgot...".

Yeah - Problem is me.

 

[JohnBT]

Naw, you're not a problem, we just have the advantage of perspective that time provides. Earlier today I was thinking about what my great-grandfather would have thought about chainsaws. Or my grandfather and his 2 brothers with their 1500 apple trees to tend. I didn't arrive at any profound conclusions, but I had a good time cleaning up my great-grandfather's crosscut saw. My grandfather was born in '91, so the saw is fairly old, but still cuts.

For many years I carried a pen knife or a Boy Scout knife. Then I moved on to an old Boker Tree Brand folder with two blades. My dad gave me a nice little Case folder at one point, but I ended up with a Sebenza that I babied for all of about the first two weeks. Now it gets used for everything - except jobs involving roofing tar. I'd just as soon use an old knife from a yard sale when I have tar all over me. I honestly don't know how I got along without a pocket clip and a knife I can open with one hand. I'd rather just wear a sheath knife everyday, but that won't work here in the city unless you're carrying a fishing pole. I have an old 6" Case XX that would do.

To keep this short, let's just say that I like practical tools. Even though I drive a Subaru with a cute little scissors jack, I still carry a jack handle and a 4-sided one for spinning lugnuts. For changing tires in the rain I have a '50s-vintage gray rubber raincoat my dad was going to toss back in the '80s. I suppose I could afford a new poncho or something better, but the old rubber raincoat still works. So does my '50s-vintage Boy Scout hatchet.

John

 

[Kingcreek]

By the 4th or 5th grade, most of the boys carried a stockman or trapper or boy scout style knife. and that included carry school in the 1960's. I remember sitting on my grandpas knee and learning how to sharpen planer blades, chisels, and knives at his workbench. He gave me a brand new Case stockman and a stone of my own around age 7 or 8.
Now, I prefer a fixed blade with jeans and boots- usually the hand-forged Heimo Roselli "carpenter's knife" in a leather sheath. sometimes hunt while carrying Grandpa's old stag-handled Marble's "Ideal".
If a folder is more appropriate, its usually a custom. Bob Dozier's folding hunter for utility EDC, or something fancier if dressed up.
But I no longer have a knife I won't use.

 

[hso]

There are plenty of traditional pattern folders that use blade locking mechanisms for safety.

Case Copperlocks are single blade "Trapper" paterns that have a traditional back lock.

Buck's 3" Ranger and others

AG Russell's foldters

The little Al Mar Ospreys


Browning's Mastersmith


Kershaw's 2-bladed lockers and singles

Even Boker

I appreciate the old slip joints and the craftsmanship that goes into good ones. But, just like advances in cars and guns have made them safer, the safer well crafted machine is what I prefer to use on a day to day basis.

 

[HiWayMan]

Well, I'm sititng here at work with my EDC gear. In one of my pockets I have an Old Timer Stockman and a brass Zippo. Two American classics. In my other pocket I have a 1-1/2" Guardrail nut looped on a piece of 550 cord. Not whiz bang tactical, but one smack in the grape and its coloring books for Christmas time.

 

[hso]

but one smack in the grape and its coloring books for Christmas time.

HWM, you owe me a new keyboard!

 

[Boom-stick]

Quote:
but one smack in the grape and its coloring books for Christmas time.


HWM, you owe me a new keyboard!

You owe me one too

and an explaination to my co-workers as to why I got cola coming out my nose


HWM Thanks for the addition to my sig line...