Noncarbine, Carbine

[lizziedog1]

Whenever someone mentions the 30 Carbine round most folks picture the World War Two firearm. Some might picture a Ruger Blackhawk chambered for this caliber. One gun store I visited recently has a semi-auto pistol chamberd for this cartridge for sale.

But, has anyone ever seen or heard of any other long gun, other then the M1 Carbine, that is chambered for this caliber? Has a lever action, bolt action, or even a single shot rifle ever been produced to fire the 30 Carbine round other then custom made ones?

I own several New England Handi Rifles in various calibers. I just think that a light single shot rifle in this caliber might be neat. It would be a dandy small game, varmint rig.

So, is the M1 Carbine the only option for this caliber?

 

[Sam1911]

There are/were T/C Contenders chambered in .30 Carbine. Whether or not you can find a >16" barrel to build a rifle version with I don't know.

 

[Jim Watson]

Marlin made 7996 Model 62 Levermatics in .30 Carbine.

The Dominican Republic had the Cristobal Carbine in .30 US Carbine and there are several others listed in the Wiki at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30_Carbine

But since they are mostly full auto military weapons and/or prototypes, you are not going to see one on the US market.

 

[tpelle]

Right after WWII the French arrested Dr. Ludwig Vorgrimmler, who had worked for Mauser and developed a roller-locked assault rifle towards the end of the war. They set him to work on the development of a similar rifle that was chambered for the .30 Carbine cartridge, but it never went into production. There are pictures of it in "The War Baby Comes Home".

Later Dr. Vorgrimmler relocated to Spain, where the Fascist government set up a design bureau for him to develop a modern rifle for their army. The result was the CETME. Shortly thereafter the Germans, who had had a falling out with the Belgians over the Belgian refusal to grant them manufacturing rights for the G1 version of the FAL (The Belgians still had their panties in a wad over the fact that the Germans had already marched through their country twice in the last 50 years on their way to Paris.), so they licensed the CETME instead and set a new start-up company named Heckler and Koch (who were making kitchen appliances) to work making it, calling it the G3.

 

[ldhulk]

You could get a Marlin 1894CL in 32-20, if you can find one. You can duplicate .30 carbine ballistics or even beat them by about 100 fps, using the same 110 gr. 308 roundnose bullet.

 

[451 Detonics]

For a while Mann Accuracy devices were available in 30 Carbine. This was a 1903 action with a Mann match barrel for accuracy testing. I know of several that where made into very nice sporters.

 

[philuk44]

Due to our restrictive gun laws in this country - we're not allowed centrefire semi autos - companies have come up with some interesting designs like this one.

It looks like a fairly standard AR 15 based design but is in fact a lever action in .30 Carbine cal. The pistol grip is pivoted at the top and pushing it forward retracts the bolt, ejecting and feeding a new round from the magazine.

Myself, I'll stick with my Marlin in .357" - those 30 carbine rounds are just too loud...............

Phil

 

[Maple_City_Woodsman]

I praise the ingenuity of dedicated shooters in your country sir.

But if I were unfortunate to be subject to such senseless draconian regulations, I would focus my efforts on quality hunting arms like your Marlin.

 

[351 WINCHESTER]

I recentely saw an 05 Winchester on gunbroker that had been converted to 30 carbine.

 

[WardenWolf]

The pistol you speak of is probably an AMT Automag 2. While lots of people have reported trouble with the various Automag designs, I've never heard anything bad about the Automag 2 specifically. Everyone I've talked to who's owned one has said they're great fun and make a nice fireball when fired.

 

[MyOpinion]

The Automags were/are interesting firearms. I have one of the early originals in 357 mag. Its fun for a few rounds now and then and I have taken deer with it. In general its OK and chambered in 30 carbine would be about the same. But like in an above post they are loud which is why I just dont shoot mine more often.

 

[Morgo]

The pistol you speak of is probably an AMT Automag 2. While lots of people have reported trouble with the various Automag designs, I've never heard anything bad about the Automag 2 specifically. Everyone I've talked to who's owned one has said they're great fun and make a nice fireball when fired.

From memory the Automag II is a .22 magnum.
The Automag III is a .30 carbine, like mine

 

[lmccrock]

Olympic Arms made an AR in 30 carbine, discontinued before I got one and I was not interested enough to run one down used. Takes M1 magazines. I do have both Automag III and Blackhawk.

 

[otomik]

Right after WWII the French arrested Dr. Ludwig Vorgrimmler, who had worked for Mauser and developed a roller-locked assault rifle towards the end of the war. They set him to work on the development of a similar rifle that was chambered for the .30 Carbine cartridge, but it never went into production. There are pictures of it in "The War Baby Comes Home".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEAM_Modèle_1950

but what is there you can do with .30 carbine you can't do better with 5.56mm?

 

[Sunray]

The .32-20 doesn't use .308" bullets. Uses .310" bullets.
"...is the M1 Carbine the only option..." Pretty much. No demand for anything else.
If 'The Silver State', wherever that might be, is one of the States that thinks the M1 Carbine is evil, you can turn one into a straight pull bolt action by replacing the gas piston and its nut with a custom made screw in plug. Local laws will determine if the plug has to be permanent.
The .30 Carbine with Speer 110 grain HP's will blow a hole the size of a grapefruit in a ground hog or other varmint. Too much damage for edible game. An FMJ will do nicely for that though.

 

[bigfatdave]

"the silver state"
http://tinyurl.com/3b8uq7c

And what's the point of a straight-pull bolt abomination of a M1 Carbine? That's just wrong, in so many ways.

The lever-gun in .30carb sounds interesting, though ... I might have to snap one up if it presented itself.

 

[Ignition Override]

tpelle:
My wife and I have been twice to Belgium. Don't get me wrong, but those small countries are blood-soaked more than any of will ever imagine, because of invading armies.

If our grandparents and parents lived in a tiny country in which incomprehensible masses people died in WW1, and maybe far more than 10,000 in WW2 (not just the Band of Brothers etc), maybe the previous generation would have their "panties in a wad", as you described the Belgians.

Five miles captured at a cost of 140,000 soldiers: this was just the Battle of Paeschendaele, in Flanders, Belgium, only one of the major battles in WW1. The Belgians were not the invaders.

I'm with you, most of us agree that after the fact, it should make no difference when one arms company allows another to produce guns under contract.

 

[moonpie]

but what is there you can do with .30 carbine you can't do better with 5.56mm?[/QUOTE]...................................................................but what can you do with a 5.56mm that you can't do better with a 7.62

 

[otomik]

but what is there you can do with .30 carbine you can't do better with 5.56mm?

...................................................................but what can you do with a 5.56mm that you can't do better with a 7.62[/QUOTE]

Can run around better carrying the same amount of ammo

 

[moonpie]

...................................................................but what can you do with a 5.56mm that you can't do better with a 7.62

Can run around better carrying the same amount of ammo[/QUOTE]
trick question 30 carbine is a 7.62-33

 

[CoRoMo]

what is there you can do with .30 carbine you can't do better with 5.56mm?

You can't punch a 30cal hole in paper with a 5.56mm bullet.

 

[HorseSoldier]

I remember seeing ads in some of the gun magazines a few years back for an AR upper set up to shoot 30 carbine from 30 carbine mags with some kind of adaptor in the magwell, I assume. Can't recall who the manufacturer was and they don't seem to be advertised now, so it may have been vapor ware or something that was limited production.

 

[BCRider]

I don't know what it's like down in the US but up this way finding .30Carbine brass or ammo is a royal PITA. It's only slightly less rare than politicians that keep their promises.

So I sure don't see the idea of any new guns being chambered in this caliber as a path to commercial success.