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saw a new norinco 12 pump for sale for 200 5 plus one in the tube with ghost sights...what can you tell me about there shotguns...and is this a good price?
not sure how long the barrel is ...if i put a tube extension on it would extend pas the barrel though


for use in shtf and home defense
 
Depends on which classic US shotgun it's a copy of.

Personally, I've never had any trouble finding a good supply of used 870s (if that's what the one you're looking at mimics) for sale at less than $200 each. And I'd rather have 'the real thing' even when it isn't a certain Atlanta-based soft drink. But that's just me...

lpl/nc
 
norinco (yl) 12, im not sure but i think its a copy of the legendary Ithaca M37. fair quality, crappy furniture ( stock & pump handle). Some fine tuning ( minor modifications may be required to get it nice and smooth) trigger disconect so no slam fire.

the common consensus is get a used 870 for better "bang" for the buck. but if your looking for a gun that you wont mind mangling, using as a cheater bar, beating dead horses. then a norinco is a cheap gun, and you wont offend the gun gods by damaging it

Added: 200 is a fairly good chunk of change for a norinco.
 
General consensus on he Chinese "clones" of American shotguns is this:

The copy of the Remington 870 is a good utility gun.
Quality is NOT up to American standards of fit or finish, but you can live with it.
These have been imported under a variety of names, including Norinco, various Chinese production plant numbers, Hawk, Brolin, Interstate Arms, and others.

"Some" parts will interchange, but NOT all.
There's a problem with magazine extensions. These 870 copies have 5 shot magazine tube, where the Remington has a 4 shot tube.

In order to accommodate the extra round, the Chinese moved the barrel support ring farther down the barrel.
For this reason, barrels will NOT interchange, and you cannot use Chinese barrels on Remington guns, and you cannot use Remington barrels on Chinese guns.
This also makes trouble when trying to fit a magazine extension.

Due to to to longer magazine tube on the Chinese gun, an American magazine extension will stick out beyond the barrel several inches.

While nothing to brag about, these copies of the 870 make good truck, home defense, farm, and knock-around guns.


The Chinese copy of the Ithaca Model 37 is, or at least was, quite a different story.
The early guns were ROUGH, and poor quality internally. At one point, distributors were selling these for as low as $80.00.

The current versions are reported to be better made, but I haven't seen one so I can't confirm this.
In the copy of the Model 37 there appears to be a problem with any parts interchangeability.
Some people have reported that they had problems fitting genuine Ithaca stocks and hand grips.

Because of the poor quality earlier versions, it might be a risk buying one of these.

In both cases, since no one has put one of these Chinese guns to really hard use and reported in, long term durability, and the quality of Chinese steel and heat treating is always suspect until proven different.

As above, for about the same money you can buy an excellent used Remington 870 and have a better gun than a new Chinese version.
 
I have one of the m37 copies. Personally I would not trust it to SHTF situations or HD out of the box. Mine took (still going) about 200 rouunds to even begin to feed right. What I mean is that it would eject the empty hull but not feed from the mag tube untill you pumped it again (and no I was not short stroking it).

YMMV.

Jay
 
but if your looking for a gun that you wont mind mangling, using as a cheater bar, beating dead horses. then a norinco is a cheap gun, and you wont offend the gun gods by damaging it
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Somebody needs to 'splain to me how it's a better deal to spend $200 on a new Nork as a beater gun than to spend $150 on a used 870 for the same purpose. I know I ain't the brightest bulb in the chandelier but I just don't get it...

lpl/nc (still just trying to find homes for all those Cinderella 870s out there languishing on the used racks, even an abusive home is better than no home at all)
 
If it's the Ithaca 37 copy (bottom eject), you can't put a magazine extension on it because of the way the barrel connects to the end of the mag tube.

I hadn't heard about the Norinco 870 magazine difference, but I'd think you could put on a +1 extension if the threads match (I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't). A +2 is flush with the muzzle on a real 870.

You can probably find a new 870 Express for not much more than $200, and certainly a used 870 for $200 or less.

I had the same experience -- saw a Norinco Ithaca 37 knockoff, looked it up and saw the mixed reviews (and the fact that it was overpriced), then bought an 870 for $50 more. The Norinco seemed decent, at least -- I would've paid $130 for it, but they wanted $190.
 
Consider buying Remington 870 or Mossberg 500a. In my area Big 5 sporting goods sell them discounted for 300$ and 240$ respectively. Not sure what they go for in your part of the country.
 
Somebody needs to 'splain to me how it's a better deal to spend $200 on a new Nork as a beater gun than to spend $150 on a used 870 for the same purpose. I know I ain't the brightest bulb in the chandelier but I just don't get it...

my post.
Added: 200 is a fairly good chunk of change for a norinco.

implying they can be had for cheaper.

and you wont offend the gun gods by damaging it

meaning, who cares what happens to it. like. say you buy a winter beater car. you can buy a 1989 toyota for 500$ or a nice old american car that "was only driven to church on sunday" for about the same. wich would feel bad about if you have an accident in?. the toyota is a dime a dozen ( norinco) and the old american "grandma" car is a well built, but old classic. ( 870)

make sense?:confused:
 
The chinese 870's are going for under 125 here. M37's are a tad less. three gun shops had them this week
 
Here in Canada, 14" Norinco 870 copies are well-regarded and retail for $345 CDN new. However, the Ithaca copies are not so well regarded - they have extraction problems, especially with 3" shells. Plus parts sometimes fly off them. Consensus is to buy the 870 copies.
 
I am an M-37 clone operator and have had pretty good luck with mine so far.

It actually patterns pretty good with Winchester rifled 2.75" slugs at 25 yards...made that paper chest look pretty well aerated...

Feed problems occured with the first 10 rounds...after that, everything went silky smooth...tear down afterwards was nice and simple...no glaring parts failures were found...but mind you this was simply 50 rounds of fun at the indoor range. I bought it new for 2 bills and about the only thing I really see myself doing with this is to either get a replacement barrel from Ithaca that has no front post sight or shave off the front post on this barrel, take off the HORRIBLE ghost ring sight and put on a good, large diameter red-dot sight.

For what it is, and what I plan on doing with it...I have no problems with it. :)

MTCW
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i've had one of the 1897 copies for about 4 or 5 months now and i've put maybe 400 or 500 rounds through it. the fit and finish left nothing to be desired but upon attempting to field strip it (norinco does not include disassembly instructions) i found the mag tube to be thin and feel like it could be damaged very easily if it were to take a drop onto anything but grassy lawn. Other than that I am very happy with the construction and finish of the shotgun.

as far as function goes... i found that you really have to man up on the forearm and shove it around to have the gun function properly. If you baby it and rack the shotgun with anything less than some force you'll have feeding or ejection problems. Now i don't consider this a problem for two reasons - 1.) it is still basically brand new and my just need to loosen up some (even though the action was suprisingly smooth out of the box) and 2.) my dad spent 22 years in the Marine Corps and has had alot of experience with the original winchester 1897s on guard duty and in vietnam and he said the old winchesters were the same way.. you couldn't baby them if you wanted reliable function.

so as far as i'm concerned it was a great buy and lots of fun (especially slam fire)

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I had a Norinco 870 copy that was ruined by Katrina flooding (3 weeks under brackish water) and I replaced it with a real 870, IMHO spend the extra $100.00 it's worth it. Everything about the Remington is better, fit, finish, action, everything.
 
if you want a cheap 870 copy i recommend the NEF pardner pump. my friend has one and it shoots just as well as my 870 (it does have the wierd 5 shot tube wich rules out regular 870 barrels). the external fit and finish are nice but internally it is very rough. reliable, but rough.
 
I had looked at a couple of the "Norks" over the last few years, and my impression was:

" I know this is a foreign knock-off of the Ithaca/Remington***, but wow this thing is ROUGH."


***year of manufacture dependant

If you are looking for new US made under $200, take a look at the Maverick Arms line. (Maverick Arms is owned/operated by Mossberg)
 
I hit a pawn shop today, toying with the idea of an 870 again, and found a well worn, but mechanically sound 870 for $139. It doesn't take much looking to find them, at least in these parts.
 
And the "real" M37 . . .

And for those who are thinking "Aw, not that old thread again!" . . . It's only about eight months old. :D
I am an M-37 clone operator and have had pretty good luck with mine so far.
So there's at least one owner of one on here. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ithaca_37, the Chinese copies helped drive the original Ithaca company out of business. That suggests that there's a bunch of those clones out there.
So did we ever determine how many (if any) parts will interchange between a Nork and a US-made 37? My reason for asking is that SpeedFeed only produces one stock for an Ithaca, and that's their #0313 Sport Stock Set. Their site says that's for "Ithaca 37-3" MAG 12 gauge," which might not differ that much from a 2¾"-only version like I have. (I hope some parts will interchange. And it's SN K8831XX, for those who enjoy looking up such things.)
Since the Norks reportedly are in need of new furniture anyway, it could make it more economically interesting for accessory manufacturers if parts could fit both brands. I want one of these http://www.gunaccessories.com/speedfeed/stocksets3.asp for my 37 as well as for my "Remington" 500. ("Find the typo, and win a prize from our Webmaster." :p )
 
remington doesnt make the 500. ( actualy they do, but its a electric razor)
Um, yeah, I knew that. I was being facetious or ironical or something. But since I forgot to post the link to the page I was cracking wise about, I only gave you the punchline and not the big lead-in. (Brain cramp on my part.)
Take a look at this gunaccessories.com page, and scroll down to item #SPF-0255. Apparently someone was so caught up in typing "Remington" for all the other models that those sets fit, the 500/590 (and 1200/1300) just got swept up in it.
So I'd like to put one of those stocks on my Mossberg 500, and would like one for my 37DS, if SpeedFeed ever makes some for the Ithaca.

I don't think I've fired a Remington 870 since my Air Force days, but most of the time, I know which model number goes with which brand name. (On my "good" days, anyway. :D )
 
naw, i figured you knew it wasnt the right name hence the quotation marks and the

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("Find the typo, and win a prize from our Webmaster." )
Oh, okay. I wanted to make sure everyone knows I'm smarter than I look sometimes. :D
I emailed the company, and let them know Remington was being credited with about twice as many models as are actually theirs.
But that vendor seems to have the highest price I've seen for those thus far, so I'll be doing some more looking around. :(
 
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