If you posses a NC CCP are you allowed to carry a shotgun or any other long gun concealed (ie behind your seat, under a coat in the seat, in the floorboard)? In reading the laws it continually refers to concealed handgun. Any body have any experience with this?
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DaveInFloweryBranchGA
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North Carolina is a Democrat state. Take it from there.
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Selfdfenz
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It's a concealed handgun permit not a concealed carry permit. Covers handguns only to the best of my knowledge.
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Winchester 73
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NC-Loaded long guns may be secured in gun racks or commercial slings if they remain visible from outside the vehicle.Long guns secured in gun cases in the storage comp.,trunk or rear most cargo area are also acceptable.
JUST DON'T CONCEAL ON ONES PERSON EVEN WITH A RECOGNIZED PERMIT.Carry licenses only apply to handguns in NC as per Selfdfenz.
JUST DON'T CONCEAL ON ONES PERSON EVEN WITH A RECOGNIZED PERMIT.Carry licenses only apply to handguns in NC as per Selfdfenz.
Zach S
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Despite what the law says, it really depends on the area you live in. In the nearby small town that I grew up in, I spent an hour on the side of the road while my car got searched - my CHP was "probable cause" that I had a gun in the car.
Here in Buncombe county, I've only been disarmed once, and that was before I got my CHP. I got stopped for speeding, I told the trooper I had a handgun laying in the passenger seat, and he had me lean against the trunklid of my car while he wrote the ticket. He never picked up my pistol.
I have been stopped for various reasons with longguns in the vehicle. Never volenteered the info, but did get asked a time or two if I had any other firearms in the vehicle after I informed the LEO that I had a CHP, and was CCing. Its never been an issue, even with two thompsons and an AR15 behind the seat of my truck (the mufflers that were in the bed of the truck, rather than under it, was a bigger issue).
Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying you could ride around with a loaded AR15 covered by a jacket, but in my area you could probably do so and not have to worry.
Here in Buncombe county, I've only been disarmed once, and that was before I got my CHP. I got stopped for speeding, I told the trooper I had a handgun laying in the passenger seat, and he had me lean against the trunklid of my car while he wrote the ticket. He never picked up my pistol.
I have been stopped for various reasons with longguns in the vehicle. Never volenteered the info, but did get asked a time or two if I had any other firearms in the vehicle after I informed the LEO that I had a CHP, and was CCing. Its never been an issue, even with two thompsons and an AR15 behind the seat of my truck (the mufflers that were in the bed of the truck, rather than under it, was a bigger issue).
Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying you could ride around with a loaded AR15 covered by a jacket, but in my area you could probably do so and not have to worry.
Landric
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Well, I don't have all the facts on this, so I won't try to justify or condemn what the officer in this case did, but the presence of a weapon (legal or otherwise) or other indicators that a weapon may be present (such as ammunition, magazines, etc.) can justify a "vehicle frisk" for weapons. It is not a probable cause standard, but a reasonable suspicion standard. The courts have upheld "vehicle frisks" for weapons based on reasonable suspicion are OK, so long as only places where I weapon could be located are searched. For example, an officer could look under seats, in the glove box, in bags and boxes in the passenger compartment, etc., but it would be much harder to justify opening a film canister or ring box. Any evidence discovered during a "vehicle frisk" is admissible, and could result in probable cause to conduct a complete search, which would include the whole vehicle, not just the passenger compartment.
As a practical matter though, I'm not sure what the point is of doing a "vehicle frisk" on a CHP holder would be. Lets say I decide to do one based on the presence of handgun ammunition in plain view. I discover a handgun in the glove box. Since the driver has a CHP, I still don't have a crime. I've never done a "vehicle frisk" on a CHP holder and I can't see a time when I would. I'm not even sure that I would consider simply having a CHP to be reasonable suspicion that a weapon was present. On the other hand, I have a CHP myself, and I always carry a gun. All my friends who have CHPs (and are not LE officers) also carry guns 90+% of the time. I think I could argue, based on my training and experience, that CHP holders are often armed. So it probably does amount to reasonable suspicion, and I suspect that most courts in NC would agree.
All that said, I'm not sure I like the precedent that sets, and therefore I'm not going to be doing any "vehicle frisks" based on a person having a CHP. Still, folks should be aware that such a frisk is probably perfectly legal and consider that when dealing with officers, some of whom (though in NC thankfully not most) are going to be anti-gun.
Zach S
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I'm not sure it sets a precedent, since it didnt go any further than the roadside and one phone call the next day. A family member told me that my grandmother (who I went to visit that day on a whim) called the officer the nest day and politely told him that if I was ever in a postion to help him, I would have. But that she doubted that I would now, and she wouldnt blame me if I didnt. Nice to know she thinks so highly of me, and I like to think I'd stick my neck out for someone else, but cant say for sure that I would.
All of my negative LEO experiances have came from that county. I think there's something in the water.
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