North Carolina CCW under the Microscope

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> 1% with felony convictions across a 5 year span (i.e. an average of less than 0.2% of the total CCW carriers per year) with no indication of whether or not they used a concealed weapon in the crime. Yep, not enough issues in NY to write about, they need to cover NC topics (since we all know that NY is so well managed!).

With permit numbers that match drivers license numbers (as mine does), cross checks shouldn't be that hard to put in place. The NC SBI could pretty easily set one up.

Why does the Times worry so much about the federal instant check being bypassed, when it can be presumed someone with a CCW permit already has at least one gun?

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More than 2,400 permit holders were convicted of felonies or misdemeanors, excluding traffic-related crimes, over the five-year period, The Times found when it compared databases of recent criminal court cases and licensees. While the figure represents a small percentage of those with permits, more than 200 were convicted of felonies, including at least 10 who committed murder or manslaughter
 
The usual cherry-picked anecdotal evidence from the home of Carl Bakal's "This Very Day a Gun May Kill You!"

On the other hand, the typical concealed carry permit holder does not make the news.

Texas made a point of maintaining stats on all crimes charged to carry license holders and the reports over the years show that, per 100,000 per year, permit holders have a lower crime rate than non-license holding adults.

Yes if you list only gun crimes committed by permit holders you can scare the sheeple; but the gun crimes committed by non-permit holders are always more numerous and would not be affected by denying permits.
 
I don't think it says one thing or the other to me about the general population or CWP holders and crime. What I see is how the state of NC doesn't suspend their permits. I have no hidden agenda posting this, unless it is to know thy enemy. My interest is that once felonies are committed and state law forbids the permits, no one "appears" to lose theirs. Just because I posted it doesn't make me an accessory to the article. I read a lot of articles about a lot of things. At the very least it is something that could be used against Law-Abiding-Holders.
 
Yes, but the Texas data are also cherry-picked in a manner by skewing the data in favor of CHL holder stats. Texas compares those with CHLs to those who don't have CHLs. The category of all those who don't have CHLs includes the portion of the population that legally cannot have CHLs such as felonies and those involved in domestic violence plus those under the age of 21.

So yeah, when you compare the group that is inclusive of felons against the group for which you can't be a felon to join, then the group with felons is going to look much worse than the group that doesn't allow felons.

A proper comparison, which they cannot do because information isn't available would be to compare CHL holder crimes again CHL-eligible persons crimes.

CHL holders are generally a well behaved group, no doubt about it, but not as golden as they are made out to be.
 
A proper comparison, which they cannot do because information isn't available would be to compare CHL holder crimes again CHL-eligible persons crimes.
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Now you're cherry-picking the data. The proper comparison would be CHL holders against all of the population, non-CHL holders against all of the population. Would not be as dramatic as CHLs against non-CHLs, but much more accurate than CHLs against LACs.
 
Firearm Rights Have Been Restored

Currently, when a federal crime is the prohibiting factor, the person's firearm rights can only be restored through a presidential pardon.35 In relation to persons prohibited from possessing firearms due to a criminal conviction, the GCA states: "Any conviction which has been expunged, or set aside or for which a person has been pardoned or has had civil rights restored shall not be considered a conviction for purposes of this chapter, unless such pardon, expungement, or restoration of civil rights expressly provides that the person may not ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms."36

All but two states have provisions for restoring firearm rights.37 Firearm rights are restored automatically or through application. The conditions for restoration vary greatly among the states by age (juveniles versus adults), type of crime, and the time frame between release from prison or parole and restoration of rights. In some states, restoration rights specifically apply only to convicted felons, which may result in a paradoxical situation in which someone convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence is permanently barred from owning a firearm, while someone who kills his spouse has his firearm rights restored after serving his sentence.

Twenty-one states automatically restore firearm rights upon release from prison or completion of parole.38 Forty-five states have provisions for restoring firearm rights through application.39 A person, after a specified waiting period in which no additional crimes have been committed, can submit an application to the appropriate authority for restoration. Again, the conditions vary widely among the states.

Because these provisions affect the person's right to possess a firearm, it is important for FBI NICS examiners, Brady Operations Branch specialists, NICS coordinators, and ATF special agents to be familiar with them. Automatic restorations should readily be identified by FBI NICS examiners and Brady Operations specialists. Although we were unable to verify employee expertise in applicable state law, FBI NICS and Brady Operations Branch management assured us that their employees, who are assigned cases for particular states, have expertise in the applicable state laws. Because it is difficult for FBI NICS management to ensure that the automatic restoration provisions are taken into account when determining whether to deny a firearm to a person, the ATF should report exceptions back to the FBI. Currently there is no mechanism to do so.

Restoration of rights through application is much more difficult for the FBI NICS examiner to ascertain. According to FBI NICS management, states are responsible for entering the names of persons whose rights have been restored into one of the criminal databases (III or NCIC). If this is properly done, the NICS check should identify not only the prohibiting factor, but also the restoration. However, considering the inaccessibility and incompleteness of some state criminal history records, it is unlikely that restoration information will be identified during the NICS check.40
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Source: http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/ATF/e0406/results.htm

Lots of information in this report
 
From the CNN article:

It would appear because of fear-mongering by the NRA since (President Barack) Obama's election that people are adding more guns to their arsenals out of fear Obama and the Democrats will take away their guns, which is absurd," said Brewer.
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Oh, I think I missed the President's announcement that his side of aisle has no interest in gun control anymore! Also, his announcement that such a plan would be absurd!!

We have won!! Victorie. Le guerre est fini! Hurray!! :D

Thanks for the tip, Brewer. Did you call up, Diane, Joe B., Mike and Chucky to clue them in?
 
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