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North Dakotans: Action time again!!!

Discussion in 'Activism' started by Nickotym, Nov 17, 2008.

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  1. Nickotym

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    Nodaks:

    Time has come to ask the state legislators to introduce a bill to remove our public gathering restrictions:

    Please send this in email or written letter to your state legislators, both senators and representatives. Potential talking points are outlined below. Please be respectful and try to get the point across that we don't feel ND is dangerous, but it is better to have choices for defense. Unfortunately, shortly before most of the incidents in schools and churches, no one ever thought attacks would happen at THEIR school or church.

    Another point is that many other states have no such restrictions and have few problems with CCW in the areas that are considered public gatherings in ND.

    I will be emailing my legislators in the next few days. Your legislators email and snail mail address can be found at http://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/61-2009/ under Senate or House of Representatives in the sidebar on the left. As soon as committees are set, I will list the most important people to contact. The deadline for introducing bills is essentially Jan 8, after this date noone may introduce more than 5 bills each.


    Talking Points:
    +Many other states do not have public gathering restrictions
    +CCW Permit holders have been through background checks
    +Public gathering restrictions have the potential to disrupt daily schedules, in order to stay legal one has to disarm in order to pick up children from school or church activities
    +Legal CCW permit holders who can carry most everywhere else are not able to carry legally while attending college classes and activities.
    +While ND has had no church or school shootings in recent history, neither had any of the other localities before their incidents (eg.: Virginia Tech, Colorado churches last year, etc.)
    +Several church and school shootings were stopped when civilians were able to retrieve their guns from storage and confront the gunman, legally carried pistols could do so much more quickly.
     
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    Representatives Porter, Carlisle, Klemin, S. Meyer; Senators Holmberg, Potter were the ones who sponsored the Deadly Force and limitation of liabilty law that passed last session( House Bill 1319) They would be good ones to start with.

    Holmberg(R district 17) and Potter(D district 35) were not up for reelection this cycle. Porter(R district 34) and Shirley Meyer(D district 36) got reelected, Carlisle(R district 30) got replaced by another R, Klemin(R district 47) was not up for reelection.
     
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    I emailed my reps, and Porter, Klemin, Dekrey and Holmberg.

    Here is the text of what I sent to them.

     
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  4. Mr. Greg

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    Looks great!

    The only problem is, without a provision to mandate that schools do not have a right to supersede this law, students at colleges could be punished academically for carrying concealed weapons on campus.

    While I would be in favor of such a provision being included in an amendment, I believe that it would be seen as too "radical" to get this bill through, and would prefer that provision to be addressed after this bill would be passed.

    We have a meeting of UND SCCC tonight, actually, and I'll make sure this is on the agenda of things to talk about. Good timing! ;)
     
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    Just got an email from Duane DeKrey that he is having a bill drafted. Keep your ears on for more info.
     
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    That is outstanding news!!!!
     
  7. PlainsmanND

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    Im onboard with this. Our sister state MN does not have the public meeting limitations or the alcohol establishment laws. From what I gather in ND if a location sells alcohol you also cannot CCW.


    http://web.apps.state.nd.us/hubexplorer/legislativedist/viewer.html
    http://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/60-2007/house/members/district.html

    This is what I found for the Fargo area list of representatives and their respective district.

    22 Wesley R. Belter
    13 Kim Koppelman
    27 Lee Myxter & Randy Boehning
    41 Al Carlson
    46 Kathy Hawken
    11 Mary Ekstrom
    21 Jasper Schneider
    45 Rick Berg
    44 Donald L. Clark
     
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  8. Heraclid

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    Not likely, but anyone familiar with Wishek, ND?
     
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    contacted my reps

    Nickotym

    hope you don't mind me cutting and pasting from your post, I just sent an email to Rep Skarphol and Rep Rust from District 2, asking them to introduce or co-sponsor this. I alluded that i had heard that Rep DeKrey was going to draft a bill on this, any updates?

    also emailing buddies and asking them to contact their Senators and Reps.

    took me a while to find your post, had been thinking about doing it today.

    thanks for your work, hope we can get it passed.

    mark
     
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    Now I have a new list of who to focus my North Dakotan efforts on, thanks much.
     
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    My bad, I'm sorry for dubbl posting.
     
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    I went to a Three gun Match in ND once, Great time had lots of fun. If there is any thing a Montanan can do let me know.
     
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    Good livestock auction down there.

    Still waiting for the session to start. Will let everyone know when to contact reps. Can't hurt to do so now, but mention that Dekrey may be introducing it.
     
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    Nick any updates on the draft of the Bill?
     
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    Just waiting to hear from Dekrey. Will probably be no action until legislature actually starts on Jan 6,2009.
     
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    The Paragraph listed as #1 , is a direct response to the DOI lifting Regs on federal Parks. I hope you guys are successful
     
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    Shoud have a bill number tomorrow.

    I will be checking the state legislature site tomorrow and will let all know when we have a bill number. At that time it will be appropriate to write or call your legislators to ask them to cosponsor.
     
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    Nothing today, they just had the state of the state address. I will check back tomorrow.
     
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    I got an email from Duane DeKrey today stating the bill is drafted, but not submitted yet. It would probably be a good time to start asking your ND House representatives to cosponsor this bill when DeKrey does introduce it. Please start emailing them or talking to them. Use something similar to my letter above with an indication that DeKrey is planning to introduce this.

    Your representatives can be found here http://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/61-2009/house/members/.
     
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    Great news, and I thank you for all of your work on this, Thomas!

    We'll be having our first UND SCCC Meeting of the semester on January 20th, and this will be the first item on our agenda. Let's get this passed!
     
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    DeKrey's bill is live!

    ND Legislature Page:http://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/61-2009/bill-actions/ba1348.html

    Full Text of Bill (Downloadable PDF): http://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/61-2009/bill-text/JBGK0100.pdf


    To be completely honest...I can't understand the legalese in the first Amendment, pertaining to liquor establishments. It seems like the law & Amendment reads "Here's the law, here's a new exception, but the exception has an stipulation to it...which seems to void the new exception altogether."

    Of course, the second Amendment in the bill is exactly what we were looking for! I particularly like the language excluding the primary and secondary schools, as it shows we are willing to compromise (I'd say it was a "common sense" compromise, but I hate how that's become the leading gun-control buzz phrase).

    EVERYONE needs to contact their representatives and make sure they get this bill through! This will be UND SCCC's main focus during the school year, and I'll be contacting everyone I know to get enough people behind this!
     
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    Thanks for the heads up Greg. Everyone start talking to their reps asking them to support this.
    Refer to Bill 1348 and ask them to cosponsor and support this bill.
     
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    Getting a little press, the ball is rolling.

    http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2009/01/15/news/local/174049.txt


    HB1389 would remove parks from the public gathering restrictions.
     
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    HB 1348 was also the main topic today on the Joel Heitcamp show, really sounded to me like Joel was in favor of it passing. DeKrey was interviewed, lots of calls, almost all were positive. I did not catch the whole show, but a lot of the discussion that I did hear centered on the public distaste for open-carry.
     
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