Nosler Ballistic tip for HD?

[ursus americanas]

Ok, we all know it's hard to find ammo in stock for your 5.56/.223

My first choices are all out of stock everywhere I've looked but I found some DoubleTap loaded .223 with Nosler Ballistic tips.

Anyone have any insight, would recommend these bullets or recommend I keep looking?

I just need some extra to fill the new spare mags I recently bought.

 

[Kind of Blued]

As far as I know, any HD rifle cartridge should be a JHP. That seems to be pretty non-negotiable.

Look at the stickied "Library" threads. There are a few concerning .223 ballistics. I remember a list somewhere in there (I think by ZakSmith) rating the top 10 or so HD loads in .223.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=208641

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=146306

 

[possum]

i have never used it, i use hornaday, tap ammo. if i couldn't get tap, i would go for a black hills load most likely the 75gr

 

[matrem]

I've killed a lot of groundhogs with .224 50 & 55gr Ballistic Tips.They often don't exit a nine pound animal !

 

[ursus americanas]

Well that does it. I wasn't sure if the ballistic tip was a varmint bullet or not but lack of entry on a groundhog means it's certainly got no place in a defensive weapon...

 

[HOLY DIVER]

ursus my take is.....i'm not all that crazy about firing a 223 inside my house or any other high powered rifle for that matter...now as far as outside the home (defending your yard from a mob)yea 223 all the way!i keep a good old fashioned 12ga pump loaded for hd loaded with bb shot now some may say thats not enough but think about it a 7yards 12ga loaded with ANYTHING will do the trick....the reason i say no 223 inside the house is if you miss the intruder the 223 likes to bounce off things and end up who knows where if you don't like the 12ga idea and realy want a rifle for hd ruger makes a good little semi-auto in 44mag that will work nice also

 

[R.W.Dale]

Well that does it. I wasn't sure if the ballistic tip was a varmint bullet or not but lack of entry on a groundhog means it's certainly got no place in a defensive weapon...

never shot a critter with a rifle have ya

A jhp or B-tip moving at well beyond 2800fps will absolutely garentee that the recipient will not be worried about doing what he intended to do before being shot.


Now you may not want to use such bullets, not because they won't stop an assailant but because they will make a very disgustingly nasty mess of your home

the reason i say no 223 inside the house is if you miss the intruder the 223 likes to bounce off things and end up who knows where if you don't like the 12ga idea and realy want a rifle for hd ruger makes a good little semi-auto in 44mag that will work nice also
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Yeah because .44 magnum won't shoot through things like no tomorrow. let me think .224 varmint bullet vs .44mag penetration on barriers. YEP that line of thought looks a silly typed as it sounds

 

[hotlead]

and?

 

[HOLY DIVER]

where did i say a 44 will not shoot through things?don't put words in my mouth krochus i just stated a fact
pick your poison a 44 that will hit where you aimed it even if it has to go through the rocking chair in the living room to get to the bad guy
or the 223 witch will bounce off the rocking chair go into the kitchen and bounce around abit more do what you want in your house

 

[taliv]

ursus, i've never heard of doubletap before, but if it's all you've got, it's all you've got. shot placement is far more important than the flavor of ammo

 

[R.W.Dale]

where did i say a 44 will not shoot through things?don't put words in my mouth krochus i just stated a fact
pick your poison a 44 that will hit where you aimed it even if it has to go through the rocking chair in the living room to get to the bad guy
or the 223 witch will bounce off the rocking chair go into the kitchen and bounce around abit more do what you want in your house

OK let me see if I got this straight

The bullet that's far far too fragile to shoot people with and will not exit a 9lb animal whilst turning it inside out is somehow tough enough to ricochet multiple times.



And the bullet that'll shoot through a complete living room suit will somehow magically not leave the house and kill your neighbor , paperboy or your dog

what kind of bullet do you think this ammo is loaded with. Ricochet is one thing you don't have to worry about with varmint bullets

 

[HOLY DIVER]

lol i can't beleave this you realy think because hornady put a peice of plastic on the tip of the bullet a 223 will not bounce off of every solid object it runs into
unless its shot DIRRECTLY INTO IT
now i'll give you that if you shoot a solid object square no the 223 will not bounce off
but the least angle will send it in to outerspace ......lol just a phrase
by the way i just noted if a 12ga loaded with bb shot was not a option 44 mag would be my second
lett me guess now your going to tell me the bb shot will go through a 1/2 steele plate and will most defantly will blow a through my house and kill my dog go through him and get my neighbor also?ok i get you have a 223 beside your bed for hd ok thats better than nothing just not my choice

 

[627PCFan]

Shoot a bullet at the ground (in a safe place) with a piece of cardboard standing behind it. Varmint bullets do bounce but after their jacket comes apart into 8 pieces EVEN if its a shallow angle strike. Remember, they are very thin jackets-

 

[IdahoLT1]

go with Hornadys TAP. Here their ballistic results:

40gr ballsitic tipped "Urban"



55gr ballistic tipped "Urban"



60gr ballsitc tipped "Urban"



62gr "Barrier"



75gr boat tail hollow point "Precision"




I keep the 75gr stuff loaded in a mag for my AR. I like their stuff but it is expensive. Seeing their results changed my mind on the use of an AR for home defense. If i lived in an apartment, i would stick with a shotgun. When these rounds hit their target, they will not exit. This cant be said about most pistol bullets or buckshot. The safest bet, if you were worried about over penetration would be a BB load, maybe a #1 or #2 shot in 12ga.

 

[Water-Man]

I would not recommed using .223 for in-home defense but if you choose to do so the Nosler Ballistic Tip is as good as any and better than most.

 

[TexasRifleman]

I would not recommed using .223 for in-home defense but if you choose to do so the Nosler Ballistic Tip is as good as any and better than most.

Proven wrong by just about everybody that does this stuff for a living.

You will notice that absolutely no military or police departments doing CQB with the AR/M4 use this type of bullet for stopping power shots.

There is a reason.

 

[matrem]

I believe that Corbon loads Blitzkings (virtually identical to B.T.s) in their "defense" .223 ammo.

 

[rcmodel]

TAP is just black V-Max.

And lots of SWAT use TAP ammo.

And I'm with krochus. Go Shoot something living with one and come back and tell us a BG is gonna just shrug off a COM hit!

My AR mags are loaded with 55 grain Nosler B-T right now.
And I pity the fool that gets in front of one, or two of them!

rc

 

[TexasRifleman]

TAP is just black V-Max.

And lots of SWAT use TAP ammo.

The 60gr TAP uses the VMax bullet, the 75gr TAP uses a BTHP.

SWAT and other police applications sometimes call for a need to limit penetration to protect innocents or other tactical reasons. They choose the 60gr TAP for this purpose.
The 75gr is a much better performing round against the bad guy straight up, and departments use the 75gr for that kind of situation.

Having a choice is a very good thing in police work, and both rounds have their place.

Home defense is a different game however.

 

[jerkface11]

Go Shoot something living with one and come back and tell us a BG is gonna just shrug off a COM hit!

I don't think you'd need a COM hit with those things. They'd probably take someones arm off.

 

[yooper_sjd]

.308 frangible loaded in the CETME.

 

[goon]

lol i can't beleave this you realy think because hornady put a peice of plastic on the tip of the bullet a 223 will not bounce off of every solid object it runs into

It's not so much the plastic tip that makes the danger of a richochet lower - it's the bullet that the plastic tip is inserted into.

Not saying that it couldn't possibly bounce but the odds of that are less than they are of the bullet just basically disintegrating.

 

[R.W.Dale]

It's not so much the plastic tip that makes the danger of a richochet lower - it's the bullet that the plastic tip is inserted into.

Not saying that it couldn't possibly bounce but the odds of that are less than they are of the bullet just basically disintegrating.

what 000buck fails to understand is that different bullets with different construction characteristics will behave differently.

Terminally speaking a 53grn Barnes doesn't behave anything like a 55grn B-Tip and neither of those behave as does military FNJ BT loadings. This is why you match the bullet to the task you want it to preform.