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Not Guilty!!!!

Discussion in 'Legal' started by denfoote, Jul 11, 2004.

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  1. denfoote

    denfoote Member

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    I don't know how many of you have been following this, but Officer Dan Lovelace was found not guilty of 2nd degree murder yesterday!!!
    Now comes the hard part. Putting his life and shattered career back together again!!

     
  2. Reno

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    So a LEO shot someone (from behind even?) who was in a drive-through section (wall on one side, curb on the other is what it sounds like) where he could have jumped out of the way had she made an aggressive move towards him faster than he could draw and shoot?

    How is this a good thing?

    Either way, we need more details.
     
  3. McPherson

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    Your cheering this decision?

    I see nothing to cheer with this verdict. I think its another glaring example of cops facing no consequences for exericising extremely poor judgement. Well at least Lovelace is out of a job for the time being, but I wouldnt doubt him getting back into law enforcement some time in the future.
     
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    I see a very short news article that may or may not be representative of the facts of the incident and case.
     
  5. denfoote

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    I'm not making any judgments on the case other to point out that a jury of his peers found him innocent of the crime that he was charged.

    Now that he is a free man, he has to put his life together again.
    No, from what I know about the case, he will not be working as an LEO for a while. Although, his lawyer is considering suing the city of Chandler to have him reinstated.

    More background:

     
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    denfoote, whatya think this is, Coptalk?
     
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    I met Dan once. He seemed like a nice enough guy. He made a bad decision and tragedy resulted. Dawn Nelson made him make that decision. I don't know if he should have been hung out to dry. It seems to me that with all the problems with the Chief and senior staff, he never had anyone backing him up in the press. Anyone can say anthing, but when a situation is escalated, carefully deliberated decisions are hard to come by.
     
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    Next time I blow some woman's lungs out with her 1 year old child next to her I'm confident that it will be a "bad decision" too.

    Excuse me while I hurl again.


    What kind of cowards are police being twisted into nowadays?
     
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    Aren't you being a tad over critical? If someone made and attempt to kill you, would you not fire back in selfdefense whether or not their children were watching?

    From reading the story, it appears she already made a move at him with the car, might have been making another when he shot. It really doesn't give enough details of the shooting for any one of us to make a decision.
     
  10. Sergeant Bob

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    Aren't you being a bit presumptious? The story presented says nothing about an attempt being made on his life.

    All it says is..."Witnesses testified he chased Nelson's car on foot when she fled from a drive-through window and knocked over his motorcycle."

    He was chasing her car, which would seem to indicate he was following her.

    She knocked over his motorcycle, which he was not on as he was chasing her on foot.

    Then it says "After Nelson made a sharp left turn, Lovelace testified that he was afraid she would run over him or crush him against a nearby building.

    He was afraid she would kill him, not that she tried to kill him.

    Then this Prosecutors said he shot her from behind, the bullet entering the rear of her left arm and ripping through her heart and lungs.

    He shot her from behind, after she made a sharp left turn, which indicates she was still going away from him.

    You're making assumptions which have no basis in fact, according to the story presented.

    Just because he was "afraid", is not justification for shooting. It has to be a credible theat, which judging by this story, I just don't see it.

    Some people fear for their lives 24 hours a day. It doesn't necessarily give them grounds to shoot people.
     
  11. JohnBT

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    Some people employ logic 24 hours a day, but it doesn't make it good logic and it doesn't always result in useful conclusions.

    On a different note, did anyone here sit through the entire trial and listen to all of the evidence? I didn't think so.

    John
     
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    One question.

    Ya think a non-LEO would have been aquited of charges in the same circumstances?

    :fire: :fire: :fire:
     
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    Too bad the Bush administration actually made these things into law.

    JohnBT,
    Are you honestly saying that based on the evidence that you are aware of, you would aquitt? Didn't think so.
     
  14. Art Eatman

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    This is another of those threads where the arguments are based upon the usual incomplete knowledge of the facts. When surmises get translated into hardened opinions, MEGO.

    Closed.

    Art
     
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    Folks, I don't think this is as clear-cut a case as some are assuming... for example, a reconstruction of events described the range of the gunshot as 3½ FEET - that's just over one yard, and that's pretty darn close to a speeding car! See here for details.

    Also, Officer Lovelace's own testimony (see here) seems to indicate that the shooting took place in a high-speed blur of action, without much time to decide on the rights or wrongs of the situation.

    I guess the jury gave him the benefit of the doubt: and I hope I'm never in his shoes to have to make the same kind of decision under the same kind of pressure. Under the circumstances, perhaps we should also give him the benefit of the doubt?
     
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