Not real impressed with RCBS Pro 2000 Quality Assurance fresh out the box

[DaveInFloweryBranchGA]

And it oughta look new outta the box. To be perfectly frank, this stuff doesn't look like it was manufactured here. It looks like tools I've gotten from Harbor Freight. I hope that isn't the case.

 

[floydster]

Wow!!!! I need to know the out come of this situation--I was thinking of ordering the Pro 2000.
Think I will hold off for now

 

[dnmccoy]

Any Pics?

 

[DaveInFloweryBranchGA]

Had it boxed up ready to ship, but got in some more parts - a replacement base, another bullet tray and a locking ring. They were covered with this black filth too and were poorly packed - the heavy case iron base banged up against the bullet tray and skinned both items up. Turned my hands black handling them. I swear, I get less mess on my hands when I blue guns. Whatever this stuff is or whatever process they're using, this stuff is nasty.

Cleaned everything off, lubed everything up and changed the bases. Cleaned a bunch of tapping crumbles out of one of the base screw mount holes. Changed the base fixed the issue, so apparently it was an improperly drilled base causing the issue, which means it's definitely been sitting in a warehouse for a while. But now the cams are going to have to be changed because they're dinged up/peened over, so the mechanism movement is rougher than it ought to be. I suppose I could stone the rough spots off, but not sure how that will affect the indexing.

That said, the nasty black dust and filth on the blued parts aren't just because this press has been sitting in a warehouse. It's on these new parts I just received straight from RCBS.

 

[dbarnhart]

It sounds, Dave, that it would be worthwhile having another conversation with RCBS and telling them to open the box they they get from you and open the one they are about send to you as a replacement. If there's no difference then don't bother sending the replacement.

 

[oneounceload]

How long the press at somewhere or whose fault it is should not be Dave's problem. He has a reasonable expectation of receiving the press in pristine working condition. It is the manufactuer's responsibility (not Dave's) to insure that its products arrive to the customer in good condition.

So a new Ford built in Michigan that sits on a coastal lot exposed to salt air corrosion is the fault of Ford and not the dealer?

Please..............

And I have never seen any RCBS press with blued parts - they are either painted green or plain

 

[GW Staar]

So a new Ford built in Michigan that sits on a coastal lot exposed to salt air corrosion is the fault of Ford and not the dealer?

Please..............

And I have never seen any RCBS press with blued parts - they are either painted green or plain

I agree with the first statement....but I have no idea what the "black filth" is he's talking about....never seen it. Hands can certainly turn black handling greasy steel tho. That would be a non-issue for me, as a degreaser is the first step in setting up a press, powder measure, not to mention die, shellplates, etc.

As for blued parts, on my Pro 2000 the shell plates have a blued finish, as do the Uniflow powder measure's drop tubes and cylinders. Also I believe the auto-indexing parts are blued as well. While bluing resists rust fine in a dry climate like mine, I leave an oil film where I can, where I can't (drop tubes in powder measure) I apply paste wax and wipe.....works for me. No rust yet....3 years and loving it.

 

[mmorris]

So a new Ford built in Michigan that sits on a coastal lot exposed to salt air corrosion is the fault of Ford and not the dealer

Actually, yes. Automotive manufacturers are responsible for the condition the vehicle is in when it arrives at the dealership. Many hours and dollars have been expended coming up with solutions to transportation issues.

 

[DaveInFloweryBranchGA]

"Hands can certainly turn black handling greasy steel tho. "

If it was greasy, I'd be happy with it. Near as I can tell, the blued parts appear to have been rinsed with water, maybe even water displacing oil (but I doubt it), but then never wiped down or dipped in a heavier oil. But it looks most like they never had even water displacing oil on them. The stuff is like a powdery filth/dirt. Very black, very fine and is hard to clean off. I suspect it's the blueing/black oxide breaking down somehow, but I've not seen anything like it with firearms I've blued. Takes cleaning/scrubbing them with Ed's Red, then wiping them down with oil to get the parts back to a nice oily/greasy state.

Since the press is now indexing correctly with the replacement base and I can now reload with it, I'm not going to ship it. I'd like it to be smoother, but RCBS is sending some cam brackets and I can tune those in now the base is right.

Can some other folks that own the Pro 2000 check to see if their cam brackets are peened where the indexing roller hits them?

 

[GW Staar]

Actually, yes. Automotive manufacturers are responsible for the condition the vehicle is in when it arrives at the dealership. Many hours and dollars have been expended coming up with solutions to transportation issues.

That's true, but that's not what he said. He said "sits on a coastal lot exposed to salt air corrosion" Obviously he means a dealer's lot. Once the car is in the dealer's hands the dealer is responsible for keeping the car in good shape. A dealer that doesn't, won't be a dealer very long.

The O.P. bought his product from who knows....he hasn't said. Thank goodness RCBS doesn't hold that against him. Sounds like they are bending over backwards.

"Hands can certainly turn black handling greasy steel tho. "

If it was greasy, I'd be happy with it. Near as I can tell, the blued parts appear to have been rinsed with water, maybe even water displacing oil (but I doubt it), but then never wiped down or dipped in a heavier oil. But it looks most like they never had even water displacing oil on them. The stuff is like a powdery filth/dirt. Very black, very fine and is hard to clean off. I suspect it's the blueing/black oxide breaking down somehow, but I've not seen anything like it with firearms I've blued. Takes cleaning/scrubbing them with Ed's Red, then wiping them down with oil to get the parts back to a nice oily/greasy state.

Since the press is now indexing correctly with the replacement base and I can now reload with it, I'm not going to ship it. I'd like it to be smoother, but RCBS is sending some cam brackets and I can tune those in now the base is right.

Can some other folks that own the Pro 2000 check to see if their cam brackets are peened where the indexing roller hits them?

Peened???? My cam brackets are certainly not peened. That's making it look like your machine was missing the original parts and someone "made" some.

As to the black stuff....I just opened 3 new, factory packaged, shell plates (adding calibers) a few nights ago. They were greasy as hell with shipping lube as I have come to expect and of course, want....I cleaned them with mineral spirits and a brush, and they are typical of the great quality I've seen so far with RCBS stuff. The cast tool heads (die plates) are not machined steel as the shell plates are. They show seams from the casting dies...must be cast aluminum...but they are similar to Dillons versions. I have 7 of them now...they all work fine. I did scrape one seam that was a tad tight in the press head. Two seconds later it also worked fine.

Keep in mind that none of the top-tier home presses, RCBS, Dillon, or Hornady, are machined to the standards of commercial line machinery. Also keep in mind that such standards come at price tags in the thousands not hundreds.

Your black soot is indeed a mystery....did you ask RCBS about that? I still think you got stuck with some new old stock...perhaps a return, maybe sans the brackets and who knows what else...that somebody put back on a shelf in who knows what warehouse conditions, to rust and wait for the person who found it...wonder what the hell it was doing back there, and he tried to bring it back to "for sale condition. He didn't do such a good job...sorry you got to be the recipient. RCBS wouldn't knowingly shoot themselves in the foot by peddling their flagship press in such a state.

Send us pictures of this black stuff....don't know about everyone else, but you've got me curious.

 

[DaveInFloweryBranchGA]

GW Starr,

Answers in Red


"The O.P. bought his product from who knows....he hasn't said. Thank goodness RCBS doesn't hold that against him. Sounds like they are bending over backwards."

If you'd read my posts more closely, you would have seen I did, in fact, state where I bought the press from. I had a local shop (close friend of mine) order the press and parts for me. He doesn't stock reloading equipment, as he's primarily a custom gunsmith. He got it from Jerry's Sports Center, a MAJOR wholesale distributor in Pennsylvania. Over the years I've known my buddy, he's bought more than $100,000.00 worth of goods from Jerry's for various customers. All of it arrived in good shape and in the original box. Jerry's is a wholesale outfit and doesn't take returns. Their policy is the retailer deals with the manufacturer. Hence, this press is NOT a return, because they DON'T TAKE RETURNS.

"Peened???? My cam brackets are certainly not peened. That's making it look like your machine was missing the original parts and someone "made" some."

Nope, they peened over since I received the press, before I replaced the original base. They have not been replaced by anyone, nor have I adjusted them. These are obviously the originals. I do think they peened over due to the problems with the original base. Before I used them, I cleaned everything and lubricated everything, so it wasn't from lack of lube. I was also very careful about the installation of the shell plates, asking about that before installing/operating.

Please get this out of your head this is some used, returned press. It is NOT. Go back and re-read my posts. I have repeatedly said everything was in it's original packaging from the factory.

"As to the black stuff....I just opened 3 new, factory packaged, shell plates (adding calibers) a few nights ago. They were greasy as hell with shipping lube as I have come to expect and of course, want....I cleaned them with mineral spirits and a brush, and they are typical of the great quality I've seen so far with RCBS stuff. ."

If you read my previous posts closely, you would see this stuff was on the press's blued parts AND on the other replacement blued press parts I received directly from RCBS. In no areas did I mention shell plates. I did, however, buy several shell plates. They all came in plastic bags with enough preservative oil on them to get them here in reasonable shape, though I wouldn't call them greasy. One, however, had excessive flashing in one of the tap holes. The flashing was coming out of the bottom of the shell plate. It had to be removed before I could use it. This is disappointing for me, as I expect RCBS to do a bit better, but something I understand at this price point and can clean up. A check of the other die plates shows some flashing in each one of the shell plate screw holes, in the same position. Obviously, it's something they choose to leave in manufacturing to save money, so the one with excess was part of the 2% that should not have gotten out.

"Keep in mind that none of the top-tier home presses, RCBS, Dillon, or Hornady, are machined to the standards of commercial line machinery. Also keep in mind that such standards come at price tags in the thousands not hundreds."

I'm not new to manufacturing, nor am I new to owning progressive presses. I've owned or currently own a lot of RCBS, Hornady, Dillon and Lee products, including their presses. The Lee stuff, I needed to clean up a good bit and I understand that at their very low, very competitive price points. The Hornady and Dillon stuff didn't need that nearly so much. This particular press and parts I'm getting for it are tending to need clean up more in line with the Lee, rather than the Hornady and Dillon products. Which is NOT what I expected when I ordered it.

"Your black soot is indeed a mystery....did you ask RCBS about that? I still think you got stuck with some new old stock...perhaps a return, maybe sans the brackets and who knows what else...that somebody put back on a shelf in who knows what warehouse conditions, to rust and wait for the person who found it...wonder what the hell it was doing back there, and he tried to bring it back to "for sale condition. He didn't do such a good job...sorry you got to be the recipient. RCBS wouldn't knowingly shoot themselves in the foot by peddling their flagship press in such a state."

You need to go back and read my previous posts more closely. Again I say: This press is NOT used. It came out of the box in this condition and the box had all original packaging/bags/etc. Additionally, the replacement parts I received DIRECTLY from RCBS had the same nasty black powdering to both the base and the bullet tray from lack of oil at the end of the blueing process. So the problem originated with RCBS, not some dealer or distributor.

As far as the black stuff goes and pictures, you can't take pictures of a dirty room after it's cleaned up. I shoulda taken pictures, but my hands were filthy with the soot-like stuff and I didn't want to get it on my camera. I do have one bullet feeder that's isn't fully cleaned, I'll try and get a picture of it.

I think at this point I'm going to label this press as one of the 2% lemons manufacturers put out and let it go at that. And I don't think RCBS bent over backwards. I do think they supported their product under their warranty, especially since I didn't break anything, just received a defective press. If they didn't, I wouldn't have been as patient as I've been. The press would have been on their doorstep by now. Their shipping method via US mail for replacement parts is a lot slow if you're on the East coast though. Takes a solid week or better and tends to significantly delay getting your press up and running if it's defective like this one was.

 

[Chuck Perry]

I received and setup my Pro 2000 last night. The only rust I found was on the bottom of the APS strip loader. Minor surface rust, will probably clean up with just an oily rag. I will most likely just keep it as is.
My bullet tray was covered in the same black mess that Dave mentions. Imagine an oil based soot, about the best way I can describe it. Other than that, no problems with the press so far. I did a number on the detent spring during the first install, but that's my fault. The powder set-up is kind of...busy. It works when it's all done, but it just seems like a lot of steps to go through. I'm sure I'll feel better about it after I'm used to it. The APS strips seem like they're going to rock, very nice system!

 

[DaveInFloweryBranchGA]

Chuck,

I'm glad your press didn't have the defective base mine had. Double check around your base for that sooty stuff though. I had it on the bullet tray and the base.

Mine seems to be sorted out now except for the peening of the rotation cams, but this isn't affecting operation, so I'll probably just leave it, as it's starting to smooth out as I'm adjusting the dies in the die plates and running some brass through the press. Only problem I've having now is getting the RCBS lube to soak down into the pad in the lube die. Stuff is slow.

 

[GW Staar]

GW Starr,

If you'd read my posts more closely, you would have seen I did, in fact, state where I bought the press from. I had a local shop (close friend of mine) order the press and parts for me. He doesn't stock reloading equipment, as he's primarily a custom gunsmith. He got it from Jerry's Sports Center, a MAJOR wholesale distributor in Pennsylvania. Over the years I've known my buddy, he's bought more than $100,000.00 worth of goods from Jerry's for various customers. All of it arrived in good shape and in the original box. Jerry's is a wholesale outfit and doesn't take returns. Their policy is the retailer deals with the manufacturer. Hence, this press is NOT a return, because they DON'T TAKE RETURNS.

You're right I missed that post. Sorry. Wow, I didn't miss the last post in red....lit up the whole room.


They peened over since I received the press, before I replaced the original base......... These are obviously the originals. I do think they peened over due to the problems with the original base.

Please get this out of your head this is some used, returned press.

Okay, out of my head! I didn't understand your use of the word "peened" I thought that what I do with a peening hammer to shape metal, was peening, so you can see why my eyebrows raised. I reread the post....the part was wearing badly because of the base, then. OK.

If you read my previous posts closely, you would see this stuff was on the press's blued parts AND on the other replacement blued press parts I received directly from RCBS. In no areas did I mention shell plates.

I read them, I swear I did, but I admit I didn't retain every detail. So sorry. I was trying to think what parts were blued, and shell plates are blued....as are several powder measure parts (measuring cylinder & bushings, index linkage & powder die/nut)...even the press handle. And of course the Index Cam, cam bar, and your notorious bullet tray! .....all those came greasy for me....except for the bullet tray....but no soot...just dry. I did get a cracked green plastic case bin.....I thought of griping about that and shoulda I suppose........I'd now have 3 to use.

I did, however, buy several shell plates. They all came in plastic bags with enough preservative oil on them to get them here in reasonable shape, though I wouldn't call them greasy. One, however, had excessive flashing in one of the tap holes. The flashing was coming out of the bottom of the shell plate. It had to be removed before I could use it. This is disappointing for me, as I expect RCBS to do a bit better, but something I understand at this price point and can clean up. A check of the other die plates shows some flashing in each one of the shell plate screw holes, in the same position. Obviously, it's something they choose to leave in manufacturing to save money, so the one with excess was part of the 2% that should not have gotten out.

Hmmm, you got me curious....I have 7 shell plates...I will check each one tonight with a critical eye, and report. I have reloaded with each tho, and no problems....still, I want to know. I will scrutinize tonight. I will say every company has to make manufacturing decisions based on productivity and profitability. You obviously are sensitive about that particular call....and its feedback such as yours that many times affect procedure change. I say rant on if it bugs you, directly to RCBS too, as they don't lurk here.

I've owned or currently own a lot of RCBS, Hornady, Dillon and Lee products, including their presses. The Lee stuff, I needed to clean up a good bit and I understand that at their very low, very competitive price points. The Hornady and Dillon stuff didn't need that nearly so much. This particular press and parts I'm getting for it are tending to need clean up more in line with the Lee, rather than the Hornady and Dillon products. Which is NOT what I expected when I ordered it.

I don't own either Lee, or Dillon presses. But I regularly tweak a friend's Lee Pro 1000 to keep him happy, and I spent a day helping another friend set up a Dillon 650. I was made aware of one thing....there ain't no perfect press. Some are more imperfect than others. The Dillon isn't any more perfect than my RCBS, and less so in some areas. Some presses are more complicated to keep running and synced than others. The RCBS's major pluses that influenced me to buy one, having first experienced my friends choices (and I've not been sorry) is robustness, simplicity, and a finally safe primer system that works. Mine was not a disappointment in any way, really and truly I'm disappointed that your experience wasn't like mine.

Additionally, the replacement parts I received DIRECTLY from RCBS had the same nasty black powdering to both the base and the bullet tray from lack of oil at the end of the blueing process.

Interesting...and the base is not a blued part, at least mine wasn't...sorta has a copper coating of some sort. The soot almost describes lamp black used for some processes as a coating to allow marking parts....but I can't understand why that would be on a part like the bullet tray.......I do know they cast their own iron in that factory....coal dust from the foundry???? who knows. Maybe they need to relocate some processes.

Their shipping method via US mail for replacement parts is a lot slow if you're on the East coast though. Takes a solid week or better and tends to significantly delay getting your press up and running if it's defective like this one was.

I have to admit, being in the west, my experience with their use of US mail os best. Usually a pleasing two days....I can certainly see your frustration....same as mine when waiting for the majority of companies who are on the other side of the Mississippi.

 

[DaveInFloweryBranchGA]

Sorry GW, I was in my cranky ole man mode last night from frustration with this press. Hasn't helped that during the same time frame, my poor Dad, who has Alzheimer's, did several things the last couple of days that are "socially unacceptable" due to his advanced age and condition.

I won't mention any of them, except one that's fairly hilarious to me, but quite disgusting to my wife. He went in the kitchen for some purpose, likely scarfing some cookies and left his dentures on the counter, no napkin or anything. The wife about had a fit when she got home and discovered the artificial teeth sitting on her clean kitchen counter. Whooeee......

 

[Strykervet]

My RCBS stuff is pretty nice for the most part. But I understand they make stuff in China, so now I try to get other US Made stuff, like when I get quality mic dies.

But I have a lot of their stuff, most of it is RCBS and it is good quality and is holding up well. I too would expect more of them and would definitely send it back and tell them you want someone to hand inspect the next one coming out to make sure you concerns are addressed.

If they mess that up, get rid of it.

 

[dbarnhart]

>>>The wife about had a fit when she got home and discovered the artificial teeth sitting on her clean kitchen counter.<<<

Aw come on, you mean Dad didn't leave those choppers on the counter sunk into a slice of pumpkin pie or something? Now THAT would be a hoot!

 

[GW Staar]

Sorry GW, I was in my cranky ole man mode last night from frustration with this press. Hasn't helped that during the same time frame, my poor Dad, who has Alzheimer's, did several things the last couple of days that are "socially unacceptable" due to his advanced age and condition.

I won't mention any of them, except one that's fairly hilarious to me, but quite disgusting to my wife. He went in the kitchen for some purpose, likely scarfing some cookies and left his dentures on the counter, no napkin or anything. The wife about had a fit when she got home and discovered the artificial teeth sitting on her clean kitchen counter. Whooeee......

LOL! I can relate to your frustration! My Dad is 92 and not hammered in the mind yet, but falls have destroyed both shoulders due to his stubborn prideful refusal to use a cane the last 4 years. He has to now....boy does it make him a grump. The first night home after surgery to fasten one of his arm tendons to his shoulder, he was out of his mind (morphine residual I think) and my sister found him walking down the street in his skivies at 1 A.M.....we were glad she was coming home late that night.

BTW, I checked my shell plates tonight....I have 5 not the seven I thought. 7 die heads/calibers, but shell plates (like the #3) do more than one caliber. Anyway, the newest one I got has flash under the plate in the recessed screw hole....I suppose it could touch the detent ball...I removed it. For those unaquainted with these, the RCBS shell plates have two threaded holes for mounting a manual advance star wheel to it with bolts. The auto-advance press doesn't use the star wheel, or the threaded holes. So it would be a moot point (and complaint) unless the flash is high enough in the recessed hole to affect the position of the detent ball....or the flash is on the second hole which is flush with the plate bottom....none of my plates had any flash on the flush hole.

To Strykervet: You are mistaken to think RCBS cast iron presses are made in China. They are cast and machined in California in the same plant they've made Rock Chuckers for more than 45 years.... There are rumors that aluminum castings for their cheap aluminum (the compete with Lee models) presses might be made in China.....I don't personally know, but you might ask them before you spread it as fact. I do know from personal communication with one of their engineers last year that RCBS makes Rock Chuckers and Pro 2000's in California, castings to final assembly....I didn't ask where their shell holders and die holders are made, or even whether they are out-sourced or not.

 

[DaveInFloweryBranchGA]

I think my Dad's problems are heart related. He ate fried foods for years and got congestive heart failure from them. Then, as he aged, he got to where he'd blow off taking his meds for heart squeeze strength and fluid reduction. This of course reduced the oxygen to his brain, which likely induced the Alzheimer's.

I don't know what and what isn't made in China any more, but I did just recently get two powder reservoirs for the RCBS giant powder measures to check out. The bags they were in were clearly labeled "Made In China." It's my hope that some of the other stuff isn't made in China, but a friend of mine told me on the phone last night the "nasty powdery black stuff" I found on the bullet tray was likely a cheap preservative the Chinese use on blued parts. Not something I wanted to hear, but that's how it is these days.

We have to vote, get these left wingers out of office, eliminate excessive taxation and regulation that's driving our businesses out of the country along with the associated jobs. It's not our spending practices doing that, never was. Just ask a business owner that manufactures. He'll tell you.

 

[GW Staar]

I think my Dad's problems are heart related. He ate fried foods for years and got congestive heart failure from them. Then, as he aged, he got to where he'd blow off taking his meds for heart squeeze strength and fluid reduction. This of course reduced the oxygen to his brain, which likely induced the Alzheimer's.

I don't know what and what isn't made in China any more, but I did just recently get two powder reservoirs for the RCBS giant powder measures to check out. The bags they were in were clearly labeled "Made In China." It's my hope that some of the other stuff isn't made in China, but a friend of mine told me on the phone last night the "nasty powdery black stuff" I found on the bullet tray was likely a cheap preservative the Chinese use on blued parts. Not something I wanted to hear, but that's how it is these days.

We have to vote, get these left wingers out of office, eliminate excessive taxation and regulation that's driving our businesses out of the country along with the associated jobs. It's not our spending practices doing that, never was. Just ask a business owner that manufactures. He'll tell you.

Dave, here's hoping your press is working better. What you say about China is true. I'm not sure anymore that the USA can even compete anymore after what the unions and the left wing political power base has done. Not sure even a move to the right in the presidency can help us now, but we have to try. For us to label ANY company as unAmerican for out-sourcing when they have no choice, is probably beating the effect instead of the cause.

Looking at the flash issue on the shell plates, and the black gunk you hate, you may be right...out-sourced small parts. I know Hornady had a problem with their LnL bushings last year. They are out-sourced and it seems they were built out of spec for a time, which caused the company and some of their AP customers some serious heartburn when they started failing. It was corrected....(Hornady isn't saying how...maybe they returned them stateside), Hopefully the present probem you encountered will be corrected....but only if customers make noise to the company about it.

About your Dad, will P.M. you about it later today. My brother is a M.D. and when he made it clear he was writing off Dad with stuff like just make him comfortable, we can't cure anything, afterall he's over 90, I got pissed and took matters into my own hands. There are things that I've been able to do that help immensely, just not the statin drugs and medical doctors. Can't wait for Obama Care to show up in our lives, in its full glory.....they'll start making the same statements for people over 50. BTW if your dad is on statin drugs, like Lipitor or such....that's probably is what is causing Alzheimer's symptoms in him...get him off before it's too late.

 

[Uniquedot]

You are mistaken to think RCBS cast iron presses are made in China. They are cast and machined in California in the same plant they've made Rock Chuckers for more than 45 years.... There are rumors that aluminum castings for their cheap aluminum (the compete with Lee models) presses might be made in China.....I don't personally know, but you might ask them before you spread it as fact.

The rock chucker supremes were cast in China and machined and assembled in the USA. There were plenty of the Chinese supremes for sale on the auction sites as new without factory boxes etc... at least i assume these were the last of the Chinese castings.

 

[Scott_R]

Just stumbled on this thread....

Wow.

Sorry you've had these problems, Dave!

I bought my Pro 2000 just over 10 years ago and it was oiled to the bejeezus. I had to wash some of it in the sink.

I hope it goes well in the future. It really is a great press, and like GW_Staar says, "There ain't no perfect press."

Good luck. Hope to hear a happier update, soon.

 

[GW Staar]

The rock chucker supremes were cast in China and machined and assembled in the USA. There were plenty of the Chinese supremes for sale on the auction sites as new without factory boxes etc... at least i assume these were the last of the Chinese castings.

According to the R&D engineer I talked to RCBS has always casted, machined and assembled Rock Chuckers in their California Foundry/Factory. Show us some proof.

IF they were cast in China, then machined and assembled in the US, presumably in the RCBS factory, how would they make it to auction sites without factory boxes.....or do you mean raw, unmachined, and unassembled castings were in the autions? Not likely to sell................

 

[Master Blaster]

I'm beginning to miss my LnL AP at this point and I was very tired of it when I sold it.

Really You were the LNL AP Guru here, what the heck happened to make you sell your LNL AP in favor of a RCBS 2000 which is clearly an inferior press. Dave are you OK????


Did somone steal Dave's ID and they are messing with us?????

 

[Uniquedot]

IF they were cast in China, then machined and assembled in the US, presumably in the RCBS factory, how would they make it to auction sites without factory boxes.

Same reason every company sells their inventory in bulk when there are design or production changes. If it makes you feel better... John Haviland lied on rcbs, the editors of handloader magazine lied on rcbs and failed to do their jobs! they faked photo's of rcbs Chinese castings as well. The Dillon precision rep's lied on rcbs and the hints that Lee precision threw out there was lies as well. They all just decided to get together and spread these lies about rcbs and that year and a half that rcbs cast their frames in China never happened.