noveske N4

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But it's certainly worth it. They are not a "bargain lower" maker.

If you'll read the following thread you'll see how Noveske engraves their uppers and lowers, splitting their logo in half between the 2. This shows pretty quickly whether the gun left their place "intact" or not. The thread is on the Viking but I believe they do the same on everything else.
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They absolutely do sell lowers. Check Ranier Arms or G and R Tactical. G&R doesn't list them on his page but I know Grant stocks them. I got a price from him not long ago. They only put the "split logo" on factory guns to show it's a factory gun. But yes, you can easily get Noveske lowers.
 
No - They're all great rifles
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You started out saying the others aren't even in Colt's league. Your backpedalling tells me you got caught running your mouth on an unfamiliar topic.
 
so its a good rifle and worth the money right?
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Those are 2 different questions.

Yes it's a good rifle.

Is it worth the price? Depends.

Do you actually have a NEED for something like that, willing to pay for it? Maybe it's worth the $$, maybe not.

Only the buyer can make that decision.
 
When it comes to Noveske vs Colt, IMO it's six of one, half-dozen of the other. They both make excellent fighting rifles, as does LMT. Flip a coin and you really can't go wrong. I'd trust my life with ANY of those three builders. I've got two 6920s and I've been thinking about adding a Noveske N4 Recce in the near future.

If you're looking to get a rifle that'll last a lifetime, Noveske or Colt will do you just fine.
 
Most any AR15 will last a lifetime the way most people shoot (or don't).
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Maybe, but what would you rather pass down your family tree; a Colt or Noveske, or a Bushmaster or Olympic?
 
Maybe, but what would you rather pass down your family tree; a Colt or Noveske, or a Bushmaster or Olympic?
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I build my own that are better than most run of the mill AR15's by a large margin. Most utilize parts from a variety of quality AR15 manufacturers and subcontractors and get my own personal inspection, TLC, and in some cases, upgrading, refining, and refinishing, etc...

If I were buying one off the shelf, I prefer Noveske, LMT, and Stag Arms (in that order).

As for Colt, I use some of their parts in my builds. I would never buy a complete Colt off the shelf though. I absolutely hate their non standard parts, don't want anything to do with them. It hampers my ability to swap out and keep spare parts in standard configurations.

Although I believe a Colt is gonna be nicer than your average run of the mill Oly, I have seen Olympics run just fine through carbine courses while Colt's have choked. This is the exception to the rule, but I have still seen it happen. I think that people's own maintenance and care for their rifles have something to do with it. Some people don't know how to maintain firearms.

Also, many people fail to recognize that many of the lower tiered AR15's (if that's what you want to call them) can be quite serviceable if they are upgraded and maintained well. It wouldn't even be that hard to take a plain old Olympic or Armalite and make a few modifications that would increase their ability to perform with the big dogs.
 
Colts are good rifles. To the extent that their reputation is justified, it is - IMO - because they do a number of things "right" (see the AR feature comparison chart thread in the tacked threads) and because they are the standard mil-spec rifle. If someone needs a serious-use AR-15 of that configuration, the Colts will deliver.

However, this is not to say that the Colts' performance cannot be matched or exceeded. Furthermore, there are probably manufacturers who build functionally and spec-identical rifles for less than Colts.

The Colt models are much more limited in terms of what "modern" features they provide, as well as barrel accuracy options.

Noveske has built a name for himself by building a variety of in-demand, modern configurations using the best parts and excellent, premium build quality. (MSTN is also in this category, but they do a smaller volume of custom builds-- I shoot both MSTN and Novekse uppers.)

The flaming about which is better is kind of misguided. The performance of a built milspec M4 upper will be about the same from either. However, if you want one with other features, or guaranteed accuracy, or something custom or semi-custom, etc, etc, then Noveske can do it and Colts cannot.

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I think that people's own maintenance and care for their rifles have something to do with it.
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I see this a lot in IDPA. Some guys' guns run like a top. Some guys' don't. It usually says as much or more about the shooter as it does the gun. Sooner or later, you tend to learn what to look for. Some troublesome parts may crack before they outright break. The gun may feel sluggish before it starts giving you ejection or extraction problems. You may notice your brass is being thrown somewhere other than its usual spot. There are cues, sometimes subtle ones, that you start to pick up on after awhile.

Yeah, the guys who have guns that work aren't generally shooting Lorcins, but they aren't exclusively shooting Internet-approved Brand T* either.

* Brand T. For Tactical. Copyright 2008. Void where prohibited by law. May cause sudden dizziness. If you experience erections lasting more than 4 hours, consult a doctor immediately. No user serviceable parts inside. Yes, that means you. What are you doing with that Dremmel, Dave? Stop that, Dave. I know Mike Carmoney said this was a good idea, Dave, but you should reconsider... Dave? I'm cutting off life support now, Dave...
 
Noveske is absolutely top shelf. The N4 basic is where I'd spend my money were I buying a complete AR today.
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The edge that the Noveske has over the Colt is all in the barrel. The profile isn't as "dumb" as the M4 profile but weighs exactly the same. It's made of a better grade of steel, has thicker chrome lining, and people are reporting sub-MOA groups with them (which is no small feat for any chrome-lined barrel).

I prefer Colt's BCG as the ones Noveske uses aren't HPT'd before they're MPI'd, but that's a minor nitpick and one that can easily be rectified when you buy a spare BCG (which you should do anyway, I suggest Bravo Company USA or LMT) and simply make the spare the primary and use the stock BCG as the spare.
 
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