NRA e-mail : "The truth about the NICS improvement act"

[Cork]

Here in MS it only takes a few hours to have your lawyer take a request to a judge and have someone in your family declared a threat to themselves and/or others following a sucide attempt or serious threat. Normally occurs to force a depressed adult addict/drunk into treatment while they are in hospital so they cannot sign themselves out the next day. Not sure if this meets the legal definition to be blocked 'forever' from buying a firearm? Within a few months of drying out and seeking support with AA etc these same people often lead normal lives.
I am still having trouble with the VA judge ordering 'out patient' treatment for Cho without any conviction (giving him a record) or having him on weekly probation officer monitoring. I think this is was a weak legal action and still struggle understanding if Cho per the letter of the law was prohibted from buying a firearm.
Took the NRA sticker off my truck yesterday!
Cork

 

[Brett Bellmore]

Well, there you go.

I suppose that was supposed to somehow express doubt about my statement, without the tedious necessity of actually making any argument.

Of course it's a work of fiction, they routinely add speaches that were never made, and alter remarks after the fact that didn't quite come across the way they wanted. The only question is to what extent the Congressional Record is a work of fiction. Given other Congressional practices whose existance is scarcely contraversial, such as "enrolling" versions of bills which are different from what was voted on, you want to bet that the fiction stops with a little polishing of remarks?

 

[JohnBT]

"Not sure if this meets the legal definition to be blocked 'forever' from buying a firearm?"

No, it doesn't. In Virginia that's called a temporary dentention order and allows for up to 72 hours of inpatient evaluation. Then there's a hearing - it's the judge's decision at the hearing that matters. In Cho's case someone decided that since he had not been committed to inpatient treatment he didn't need to be on the list.

Once again, FWIW, Virginia is one of only 22 states that has been submitting involuntary committment info to NICS. Nearly half of that info in the system is from Virginia. The bill provides funding for ALL the states to enter their data. Remember, it's legal data - the adjudication - not medical data.

You can put the NRA sticker back on your truck now.

John

 

[ArfinGreebly]

. . . a little overboard

Psychiatry is in many ways the enforcement arm of socialism.

Now, ArfinGreebly, with all due respect this is a little overboard. It sounds like something Tom Cruise would say.

Never met Tom Cruise. He doesn't speak for me. I don't know what sources he uses for his information.

I DO however, know where I got mine.

Ten years of volunteer field work in countries where socialism is the prevailing form of government.

I know that it rubs some people the wrong way when I assert that psychiatry is the wrong answer, and that it too often serves as a political tool. I could refer you to the works of a psychiatrist who is, himself, highly critical of his own field. Thomas Szasz is Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry at the State University of New York Health Science Center. I first heard of his work in the mid '70s, right around the time I was in Europe.

I wouldn't have paid any attention, except that we kept having to hit cleanup behind them and mop up their messes. Naturally, this caused them some embarrassment, and we would be slandered and reviled. Prior to this rather bizarre turn of events, I had always assumed that the "Mental Health" community and the group I worked with were on the same side. After all, we wanted the same thing, right?

What we have then is my several years of in-your-face experience in counseling, education and rehab, punctuated by strife with the purveyors of psychobabble and psycho-meds, versus contrary anecdotal data of perceived benefit by people who know people who have been helped . . .

So if I sound a little skeptical, a little bitter, and somewhat intolerant when it comes to psych-related topics, please understand that this comes only from experience, not any kind of academic study.

You are, of course, free to draw your own conclusions and keep whatever counsel you deem proper.

When I was younger I trusted them. Now I do not. I have seen too much.

(By the way, any "profession" that would willingly -- nay, enthusiastically -- participate in projects like MK-ULTRA is worthy of as much skepticism as I can muster.)

My bottom line: I am very leery of handing any amount of authority over my individual rights -- especially RKBA -- to practitioners of a profession whose human rights track record stinks as theirs does.

And if that's "a little overboard" I can live with that. Even if it DOES sound like something Tom Cruise would say. Hey, if I can sound enough like him, can I have some of his money? I'm not greedy, a couple of million would be fine.

 

[JohnBT]

"By the way, any "profession" that would willingly -- nay, enthusiastically -- participate in projects like MK-ULTRA is worthy of as much skepticism as I can muster"

Professions don't participate in anything. Their leaders might support something, but it's usually individuals that make the decision to participate. Sort of like the AMA making statements that the individual doctors don't support OR a doctor doing something the AMA doesn't support. Again, it's the actions of individuals, not professions.

It's like blaming all car mechanics because one ripped you off.

And yes, I've been around the mental health profession for more than 3 decades, although I've spent most of the time with the patients.

John

 

[Art Eatman]

This horse is still dead. How many pages did we use up, last time? Same comments from some of the same folks.

Enuf.

Art