NRA Statement On Legislative Efforts On Capitol Hill

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NRA STATEMENT ON LEGISLATIVE EFFORTS ON CAPITOL HILL

Recent reports in the Washington Post, Newsweek and other media outlets are fanning Internet rumors regarding the NRA's position concerning legislation currently being discussed in Congress in the aftermath of the horrific crimes that occurred at Virginia Tech.

The NRA has a long history of supporting measures to keep guns out of the hands of violent criminals and those who have been adjudicated by a court as mentally incompetent, and we will continue to do so. We will also continue our efforts to make sure that the National Instant Background Check System (NICS) is accurate, fair, and instant by seeking changes to permanently ensure that no fee is associated with the check, that system outages are minimized, and that our men and women in uniform who have served our country honorably are not unjustly denied their constitutional rights. As always, the NRA is committed to ensuring that any proposal does not infringe upon the right of law-abiding gun owners.

It is impossible to predict right now what any final bill will look like; therefore, we will withhold judgment until we see a final product. However, the NRA will continue to work with Members of Congress throughout the process to ensure that any changes to the NICS benefit lawful gun purchasers while ensuring that those adjudicated by the courts as mentally incompetent are included in the system.

Including necessary records on prohibited persons into the NICS is a position we have long supported. However, history has shown that no law will stop a madman intent on doing evil.

The NRA believes that our schools are not adequately protected. Therefore, we believe a national conversation on school security is necessary, and we look forward to those discussions and finding meaningful solutions to keep America's children safe.

For more information, visit
www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=217&issue=018


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The National Rifle Association has always supported including the records of individuals adjudicated mentally defective into the National Instant Background Check System. We believe that the NICS should serve the intent of Congress, which is to prohibit the legal sale of firearms to criminals and other prohibited persons, such as adjudicated mental defectives. However, we must not forget that the NICS also serves the purpose of clearing firearm purchases by law-abiding Americans. Too often, the system has been abused and has not delivered on the promise of a fair and instant check.

In order for NICS to be effective and efficient, it should not be bogged down with unnecessary information or duplicative records. It should not be used to charge transaction fees on background checks; as a permanent repository of gun purchase information; or to unnecessarily delay the ability of law-abiding Americans to purchase firearms.

The NRA has achieved many improvements to the NICS over the years, including the destruction of approved transaction records within 24 hours, and prohibiting the FBI on an annual basis from charging a "user fee" on background checks.

We continue to support legislative efforts that:

- Improve the accuracy of NICS records

- Reduce delayed approvals for firearm purchasers

- Require federal and state governments to remove or update inaccurate records when discovered

- Provide the NICS with information on events such as criminal expungements and removal of restraining orders, thus lifting a person's prohibition on possessing firearms

- Permanently prohibit the FBI from charging a "user fee" on NICS background checks

- Ensure that mentally defective adjudications are limited to adjudications following adversarial hearings only, not administrative findings such as depression or Post Traumatic Stress Disorder; and that mental disability records are removed from the NICS if a judge determines that the person is no longer a danger to himself or others, or no longer requires involuntary treatment

- Provide necessary funding for the NICS so that it can operate as accurately and quickly as possible, without unnecessary delays; and provide necessary funding for states to transmit records on prohibited classes of persons, so that the NICS is effective and efficient

We do not support proposals that allow for unnecessary or overly broad information to be included in the NICS; unfairly target individuals who have not been adjudicated mentally defective; seek to retain approved NICS transaction records for more than 24 hours; or anything else that would expand NICS beyond its original purpose.

The NRA will continue to work for the quickest and most accurate NICS possible on behalf of our members and law-abiding gun owners across the country.


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Mike Haas
 
Mike, thanks for your ongoing efforts to temper the many irrational or self-serving statements about the NRA seen here and in other gun forums.
 
It is nice to see this aspiration in writing. But, this confirms that it isn't present law.

- Ensure that mentally defective adjudications are limited to adjudications following adversarial hearings only, not administrative findings such as depression or Post Traumatic Stress Disorder; and that mental disability records are removed from the NICS if a judge determines that the person is no longer a danger to himself or others, or no longer requires involuntary treatment.

The present hub-bub is what got this written statement produced. Now NRA will have to follow it in future "negotiations." That's an improvement over where we were yesterday (and an achievement for GOA and those of us who clogged NRA's telephone lines).
 
Sorry NRA, wrong response.

The correct response would be to state that NICS is unconstitutional and that the NRA supports the abolition of NICS.

I'll be cancelling my NRA membership shortly.
 
With so much rabid anti-gun legislation on the table, and being proposed, now is NO time to for the NRA to be getting into bed with the Brady Bunch.

Dingle and Feinswine don't want to stop the mentally ill from getting firearms.... they want to stop EVERYONE from getting them.

And they won't be satisfied until they win, whereas the NRA gives ground at every turn. As far as I'm concerned this is stike 3 for them.
 
The present hub-bub is what got this written statement produced. Now NRA will have to follow it in future "negotiations." That's an improvement over where we were yesterday (and an achievement for GOA and those of us who clogged NRA's telephone lines).

Actually if you look back at the NRAs past statements going back to 2002, this is pretty much the same thing they said when the bill first came out. So I question how much a change it is from "where we were yesterday" unless by that you mean that there more people are aware of what the NRA has always said with regards to this bill.
 
We can rant and rave all we want about "prior restraint" and it will be nothing more than that. A rant. NICS is not going to go away. That's the reality of the situation. What we can do is to make sure that the NICS is not used to arbitrarily deny good folks the right to buy guns. That is what the NRA is seeking to do.

Would you rather not have the NRA invited to the table? We would then see all kinds of shenanigans tweaking the law. By being invited to the table, the NRA can prevent most, if not all, of the wild schemes the gun-grabbers want to place on the law. And for that, some of you would cancel your NRA memberships?

The GOA has done a great disservice to gun owners with their recent "alert" implying that the NRA is working with the gun-grabbers to muddy the waters. It has divided us, yet once again. It is self-serving by trying to get support at the expense of the NRA.

It's a pity that otherwise intelligent people can't see that.
 
The correct response would be to state that NICS is unconstitutional and that the NRA supports the abolition of NICS.
That sounds weak on gun rights, not even mentioning the NFA and GCA.
 
44Brenta said, "Sorry NRA, wrong response.

The correct response would be to state that NICS is unconstitutional and that the NRA supports the abolition of NICS.

I'll be cancelling my NRA membership shortly."


I suppose he would prefer the 5-day waiting period we had for all handguns from '93-'98. These folks simply don't live in the real world. Whether you like NICS or not is irrelevant as it is here to stay. There is no will in Congress to get rid of NICS.

The fact that GOA thinks that adjudicated mental incompetants, convicted murders and child rapist should be allowed to own guns should tell you all you need to know.

Blaming NRA for wanting the NICS system to work better so that law abiding gun owners aren't erroneously delayed or denied is certainly better than the alternative.
 
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The fact that GOA thinks that adjudicated mental incompetants, convicted murders and child rapist should be allowed to own guns should tell you all you need to know.

There are several problems with this. For one, who decides what mental incompetence is? The problem with this is not the law as it stands, the problem is the foothold it gives the government to expand it reach in the future. Frankly mental illness is for the most part subjective and there are a lot of people out there who would make the case that gun ownership is a mental illness. The problem with this legislation is that it's powers can be expanded in the future to prevent people from owning guns based on someones objective decision.

The second problem is that RKBA is a right. If you truly believe it is a right then you cannot selectively decide who it applies to. That is exactly the same position many gun-grabbers are taking, they want more stringent controls on who gets the privilege. You are taking the same stand, but drawing the line in a different place.

Folks, we all know that gun control does not prevent crimes, right? We all know that criminals who are determined to obtain guns or kill someone will find a way to do it anyhow? Gun control does not work.

This legislation is a type of gun control. It controls who is allowed to purchase firearms. If you support this, then you are supporting gun control. You are simply deciding who should be allowed to own firearms, and applying your own label.

Remember, we must punish the actions of criminals. Gun control only prevents law abiding people from obtaining guns.

If you want to keeps guns out of the hands of murderers and child rapists the answer is easy. Both crimes should carry a mandatory death penalty. Problem solved.
 
The fact that GOA thinks that adjudicated mental incompetants, convicted murders and child rapist should be allowed to own guns should tell you all you need to know.

To piggy back off what Kentucky said on this, IF you are such a danger to society that you should no longer have your rights as a citizen, then you are so dangerous that you certainly should not be free and in public! Either prison, death, or mental hospital if you are not fit to exercise your rights!
 
Just once, just once, I'd like to see the NRA, when justifying a contraversial policy, actually acknowlege that it's possible for people who are pro-gun, and actually know what the policy is, to none the less disagree with it. In other words, I'd like to see them adress the pro-gun arguments against the policy, instead of just restating what the policy is.

I know they're capable of doing it on a face to face basis, you'd think they could try doing it in print sometime. Unless maybe they're afraid that too many members, on being exposed to the opposing side, would find it more persuasive?
 
It sounds good to me.
There has to be some oversight. Finding the balance is the challenge.
 
It is sad that the NRA doesnt even realize that it is being inconsistent.

One of the core principles beyond gun rights is that the problem is bad people running loose, not the availability of bad objects. Anyone who has been paying attention for the past 10-20 years realizes that the prohibited persons category has been consistently expanding. Despite this constant expansion, the worst of the hardcore criminals consistently have little difficulty acquiring any weapons they desire. Just last week, wasnt a stolen police Sig 550 sold to a criminal for 200 dollars on the street? Prohibited person laws are not an effective crime prevention or criminal disarmament method. Incarceration is the only method that prevents criminals from arming themsleves and committing crimes.

The methods that the NRA is supporting are laying the groundwork for further destruction of gun rights in the future. All in return for the illusory benefit of hardened criminals not being able to shop at legitimate gun stores.
 
Pardon my ignorance. This thing about what the NRA is doing, who put this on the table? Did the NRA start it, or did they gungrabbers start? I hope it was the crazy gungrabbers, because otherwise, why put your head on the chopping block just to help the king and the executioner?
 
The bill should at the very least include a repeal of the Lautenburg amendment, and exclusion of some nonviolent crimes. They should also improve the systems for restoring rights.

The system may be unconstitutional, but I will say that it will probably be the very last peice of gun control to die. Until then, we need to make sure it works the way it's supposed to. And making sure that the right people are in the system also means making sure that the wrong people aren't in the system. The psycho needs to be in the system, but the idiot kid who screwed up just once right after his birthday, and ended up pleading it out, shouldn't be in the system.
 
I agree with the comment about the GOA attacking the NRA over this bill. The gun grabbers and the Brady Bunch want to "divide and conquer" the gun rights movement. Now that the GOA is bickering with the NRA over this bill, they are playing right into their hands.
 
I want to hear you NRA supporters 10 years from now since none of you will address all of the prior faux pas of the NRA...

Follow their precedent & you'll be facing prison time for not turning them in. THEN what will you decry? That those of us who were ignorant enough to believe in the ideals of this nation would not support the NRA's incremental disarmament policy??? No thanks, guys. Some of us DO believe - and to think we'd be criticized for it... Perhaps you should go find the Merkel shotgun and fowl hunters and reinforce the deranged notion that incrementalism, like Fabianism, is better than our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you comprehend? Eghads!
 
BR said:
If it weren't for the NRA, we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now. We would have already lost.

+1 on that...it would have been a done deal 15+ years ago.

I don't agree with EVERYTHING that the NRA Does and they are pretty weak on the State issues but they a good on a Federal level...no other Pro 2A Group holds any respect in DC.
 
Actually we might not have lost because it would have been much more obvious what the gun control advocates were doing and those that really believe in the RKBA would have put up a much stronger fight and done it sooner. The NRA has given many the illusion that they are protecting our 2nd amendment rights when in reality they are slowly compromising them away.
I forgot exactly how the quote goes and who to attribute it to but it has been posted on here before and it goes something like this: Those who allow compromise of a right have already lost that right.
 
U keep the blind support for "The Great Compromiser" and you'll be crying one day how "the gov't took my guns!" and you'll have no one to blame but Self...

Neither of you apparently know much about the NRA's position for all of the gun control legislation. Very well. Your opponents love ignorance.

NRA = MANAGED COMPETITION. They WILL compromise and compromise until we have a system like the UK had before the outright ban soon. Of course, you'll blame the GOA and it's adherents. Then there will be another staged shooting and it will be over. And then, those who today thought it was an impossibility will wonder *** happened.

Thus is the path for those who CHOOSE not to see and THINK.
 
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