NRA holds meeting with British gun owners to learn lessons

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Sportsman's Association Director Richard V Malbon explained to our American hosts the three main criteria that an applicant for a Firearm Certificate had to satisfy in order to obtain a Firearm certificate in this country. He warned the Americans not to accept registration of their guns by the State, even though such a procedure would initially be couched in ‘ever so reasonable’ terms by the American authorities. He suggested that once guns were registered the ownership of those guns effectively passed into the hands of the authorities. He then commented that, in the UK, possession of firearms for self-defence was not yet regarded as being either desirable or necessary. Most of us wanted them for sporting purposes. He outlined the social impact on shooting clubs of the pistol ban.
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On another thread, some folks that live in occupied (by the enemies of freedom) territory - New York City - are debating what the definition of "hard to get a permit" is.

Ultimately, "easy" or "hard" to get doesn't matter. The registration process always serves one ulterior motive. Eventual confiscation.:fire:
 
California is just a step behind.

Everything I purchase is registered with the state. I still don’t need a permit for long guns and the permit (HSC) for handguns is still trivial to obtain.

It’s all just part of the incremental “brick in the wall†approach that is the hallmark of “reasonable†and “common sense†gun laws.

The UK, Canada and Australia are the real-world laboratories for this experiment in social control gone mad.

Gun owners (especially the “typical†deer hunter/trap-skeet shooter) need to keep their eyes firmly fixed on the target. Federal, state and local government WILL usurp as much power as it can get away with from the people. The only thing that stands in their way is the fear of an indignant and armed population rising in resistance to them.

An indignant and unarmed populace can be cajoled, subdued or ignored at the governments whim.
 
May I just second Airwolf here....

If you comply with laws requiring the registration of your firearms, you WILL eventually lose those firearms to the government.:scrutiny:

It is happening here in Australia....right now:(

Australia has a 'democratic' govermnent, western legal traditions and a hybrid Parliamentary system.

Australian policy is to steadily reduce the number of firearms in the community.:barf:
 
He warned the Americans not to accept registration of their guns by the State

A tad late to heed this advice, eh?:uhoh:
 
Those of you still living in "free states" need to take heed and purchase as many as you can via private party sales.

Here in the PRK the Caliban requires that ALL sales go through an FFL, with transfer fees, registration and the 10 day waiting period. :barf:

Even when I move ALL my guns will still be in a database in California. It's a simple matter to put 2 and 2 together and find out where I'm living if they decide to *try* and take them away on a national level.

The only way I could try and get around this is to sell ALL my guns in whatever Free State I move to and purchase replacements via a private sale. That's the only way to break the registration chain.

Even doing that if they decide to *try* and take them away, California would still have me on file, since there is no procedure to un-register them.

In other words I could still expect a visit from whatever agency would be tasked to carry out the confisciation even if I had sold my entire collection.

If that isn't enough to scare the :cuss: out of you, I don't know what would.
 
you've nailed it, Airwolf!

Australian state arms registries do not remove the registered gun from the name of the initial purchaser completely, only noting "stolen" or "transfer":(

Once 'they' have your name...they know who likes guns around:uhoh:
 
In other words you're in the database as a "potential criminal" the moment you decide to pursue a hobby or exercise your right to self-defense.

Well, this "potential criminal" can only say that I seem to be in good company. Most of the people I've "met" on TFL/THR In the past year-and-a-half I would trust to cover my six should the SHTF.

You are among the most well-spoken, well-versed and rational individuals that I've ever interacted with in my 45 years on this planet.

Those that seek to demonize us and obliterate our rights... well, lets just say I have a *slightly* lower opinion of... something about whale excrement and the Marianas Trench comes to mind :evil:

I'd say that the world needs more "potential criminals" like ourselves. :neener:
 
The 'lessons' Wayne was there to learn were the best ways to tell us how to follow their lead, while maintaining his salary.
 
Commander :D,

That’s a bit harsh but I do wonder where the NRA’s real intentions lie sometimes.

To be sure there is way too much compromise and politics involved in many of their actions for my tastes.

I do belong to NRA (and GOA, GOC and CRPA too) but wish they would take a harder line against those that would destroy both us as gun-owners and this country in the process.
 
"That’s a bit harsh but I do wonder where the NRA’s real intentions lie sometimes."

As a Life Member of the NRA, I have been forced by their actions to believe they are more interested in the prestige and welfare of the NRA than preserving our Natural and Second Amendment Rights.

They call our losses "victories" because "it could have been worse." They apparently have little taste for controversy or honesty and cannot bring themselves to acknowledge our illegal and unlawful losses.

These "Caliphs of Compromise" no longer receive my donations. My meager monetary support goes to JPFO, SAF, GOA, etc.
 
Yes, Stringfellow, it is harsh, but I think we agree that if some fires aren't lit under some posteriors, there won't be any fire left.
 
The best one can do when coming from occupied territory and having been duly noted as a gun owner ("nut") is to purchase via private sale a quantity of weapons of quality and type sufficient to provide for the self-defense and hunting needs of your family.

Think of the Balkans, where they've been burying the same guns for decades to keep them out of enemy hands, foreign or domestic.
 
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