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NRA's muscle feared
By Ron Harris
POST-DISPATCH WASHINGTON BUREAU
04/21/2007


WASHINGTON — As the nation mourns the 32 students killed at Virginia Tech last week, the issue of gun control has resurfaced, as it has in the wake of similar mass shootings.

This time, the debate is expected to be muted, and political analysts, gun control advocates and politicians predict no further restrictions on guns will result. The main reason: the political power of those who favor gun rights, led by the National Rifle Association.

For instance, when congressional Democrats met during their caucus two days after the Virginia Tech shootings, nobody brought up the subject, one Democrat said.

An Associated Press-Ipsos poll after the Virginia Tech shootings showed Americans are still divided on the issue. Forty-seven percent said firearm controls should be tightened, 38 percent said they should remain unchanged, and 11 percent said they should be loosened — about the same as in a January survey. A Zogby-MSN interactive poll showed most did not believe stricter gun control policies would help prevent massacres like last week's.

Any new talk of gun control this year is expected to go the way of proposed legislation after the massacre at Columbine High School in 1999. Even then, when, according to a Washington Post/ABC News poll, nearly 70 percent of Americans wanted stricter gun laws, no gun control legislation made it through Congress.

The ability of gun rights activists and the NRA to mobilize members, money and votes over a single issue makes them feared by many of the nation's politicians.

"It scares the hell out of them," said Jim Nowlan, former Republican Illinois state legislator and professor of American politics at the University of Chicago.

Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., said she expects some conversation about gun control.

"But you've got to at some point acknowledge that the NRA has amassed incredible political power. I don't know how many conventions of advocacy groups attract 60,000 people," she said, referring to the group's recent convention in St. Louis, "but I venture to say none."

What many legislators fear is that the NRA will turn its power on them, as it did on Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich.
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After his election in 1992, Stupak, an avid gun owner and hunter, was endorsed by the NRA and given an A rating from the group. But in 1999, he voted for 48-hour background checks at gun shows, and the organization went after him.

Stupak won re-election in 2000 but only after the fight of his political life. The NRA selected a candidate to run against him and poured money and human resources into the race.

It has been a signature tactic of the organization, analysts say.

That kind of opposition creates concern among politicians because gun rights advocates judge candidates solely on their positions about guns.

"Single-issue voters represent only 4 or 5 percent of the electorate, but they have power far beyond the slice of voting public they represent, and that clearly is the case with gun owners," Nowlan said. "Politicians look at the margins of their base, they worry about 1 percent, 2 percent or 3 percent going from their column to the opponents' column."

Vulnerable freshmen

So Democrats and Republicans here, many facing re-election next year, are trying to steer clear of the issue, Stupak said.

Steven Smith, a political science professor at Washington University, said: "Who's going to remember your vote on gun control in 2008? Most legislators know it's really only going to be the gun owner who is going to remember."

Most vulnerable are the 53 freshmen congressmen — 40 Democrats, 13 Republicans — who will be up for election in 2008. They don't have the track record to defend against an onslaught by the gun lobby, analysts said.

"If I'm advising anybody who is a freshman in the House, I'm advising them not to cross the NRA, because you're going to have real problems," said a senior Democratic aide on Capitol Hill.

And if that person didn't listen to that advice?

"You can stick a fork in him," the staffer said, "because he's done."

NRA officials declined to be interviewed.

In a news release, they said: "This is a time to grieve and to heal. This is not the time for political discussions, public policy debates or to advance a political agenda. NRA will participate in this discussion and others at an appropriate time."

While more gun restrictions are unlikely, some are talking of strengthening current laws.

Rep. John D. Dingell, D-Mich., who once served on the NRA's board of directors, is talking with the NRA about introducing a bill that would give states money to help them supply the federal government with information on the mental health of those attempting to buy firearms. The law would fine states for not submitting information to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

Reversal in Missouri

The ability of gun rights advocates to influence politicians may be best demonstrated by its efforts in Missouri.

In 1999, the state's voters rejected a proposal to allow residents to carry concealed handguns. But four years later, after intensive lobbying by the NRA and others, legislators voted for the conceal-carry law by more than 2-1 ratio.

One state senator, Michael Gibbons, R-Kirkwood cast a deciding vote even though 70 percent of his district had voted against the measure.

A big reason the NRA wields so much power, gun control advocates say, is that there is no countervailing force that would reward politicians who vote for gun control and punish those who don't.

"That's the problem," said Kristen Rand, legislative director for the Violence Policy Center, a gun-control advocacy group in Washington. "The NRA is more powerful than we are. They're so loud, they're so they're so obsessed and they're so focused."

Stupak, a former police officer, said that although he knows some people are worried about the NRA, they should not let it influence their vote.

"I would hope, no matter what the group is, the NRA or the Chamber of Commerce," he said, "that members will look at the legislation and vote the courage of our convictions and not fear of political retaliation."

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Yes the NRA is effective and yes the NRA is the biggest dog on the street. But something has changed in the gun right community and it is best demonstrated by what happened to Jim Zumbo. Mr. Zumbo was pulled down as a result of a grassroot action having no groups sponsorship. As a result of the Zumbo affair I am sensing out there an unwillingness to play political games such as would the NRA. Time will tell if we are seeing an increase in militantcy on the part of the gun rights world.
 
The authors of the article really aren't aware of why gun-owning voters will toss a gun-banner in the trash. I know that I never vote for politicians who will support more gun control because
a) I own awesome guns that are tops on the gun ban lists
b) There's a feature of gun control legislation that I'll call felony creep. It works like this: some law is passed that makes owning such and such gun or ammunition a felony. Sooner or later what's legal now becomes a felony when these jerks are in office. I don't vote for people who think I belong in jail with murderers, rapists, and robbers.
and
c) The parts of the nation with less gun control are also the parts of the nation with less stupid laws and less taxation.
 
Nod

GOA / TSRA / NRA (Golden Eage) here :D

The TSRA has really been marvellously effective lately in Texas. Well worth the odd check I send them.
 
This is the reason that I think it is imperative that we support the NRA. While they do compromise a bit too much for my taste, no one holds as much oomph on Capitol Hill. You don’t see the Brady Campaign sending around “Stop Gun Owner’s Of America” Emails. The NRA is the only gun rights organization the antis are truly afraid of.
 
Go NRA!!!

It's not about new gun laws, look at that psycho, his mental health record should have prevented him from getting one in the first place. His behaviors around home and school in the years before the shootings are just frightening and creeped out.

Maybe it's time to PREVENT tragedies like this one, not focus on GUNS, which are inanimate and cannot carry out a massacre by themselves. If guns ever did something like that it means we have a serious homicidal poltergeist problem and it will take prayers and exorcism to fix that.
 
Hence the reason I feed the 800 pound gorilla. What anti's dont understand is that when they attack the NRA they are attacking its members and they do what we pay them to do. However I do not agree with all the compromises they have made but that is politics. It's not nice to poke the gorilla it PO's its members and then they do like we do pass it around.
 
I like how it's a good thing when a group gains members and fights for rights, but when it's gun rights they are a forceful and evil group.
 
Its funny that the NRA is the only spokesgroup the media ever attacks, as if there aren't any other groups that exist in our nation that takes donations and fights for their cause :rolleyes:

Maybe the reason the NRA is so well funded and "feared" as a huge power is because the majority of Americans feel that way. Fancy that!
 
The NRA does not vote. The left does not really fear the NRA they fear its members and every other gun owner who votes like one. They can not be critical of individuals, well they can and do, but if they can paint the NRA as a monolithic beast in control of all, YEAH RIGHT, thenthey feelthey will get more support for their cause. If people did not vote aganist those who would infringe on their rights then the NRA would be a non issue. As long as they scream about the NRA I feel tht voters are getting their message accross.


Len
 
It warms my heart. To know that WE the voting gun owners are actually a force to not cross.

And all this time I thought it would take a concerted effort of high power rounds at key targets to do such a thing. :D

Justin
 
"I would hope, no matter what the group is, the NRA or the Chamber of Commerce," he said, "that members will look at the legislation and vote the courage of our convictions and not fear of political retaliation."

It isn't a representatives job to vote with his "convictions". It is his job to vote with his people's convictions and in accordance with the constitution.

Political retaliation is what makes the system work.
 
It isn't a representatives job to vote with his "convictions". It is his job to vote with his people's convictions and in accordance with the constitution.

Political retaliation is what makes the system work.

Damn staright.

These people don't go to DC to represent us. They go to DC because they really love having power and a title.

Few of them are great people. Some of them are downright rotten people. By and large they just get off on being Congressman X or Senator Y.

As soon as they're not afraid of us, we have descended into authoritarianism.

Join the NRA. Joing whatever other group, too, but if you want to have any voice in DC, here and now, when it matters, join the NRA.
 
I think the article may just be a sort of pep rally for the antis, giving validation to their bigotry towards the NRA and rallying the troops.
 
It is interesting to note that the NRA stands up to a lot of abuse from different members of Congress and the Brady Bunch...oh, and let's not forget Rebecca Peters, but when someone bad mouths them they are actually bad mouthing 4.3 million people (these are the number of people who are members; there are millions more gun owners who are not members). I believe that when people think of the NRA they think in terms of maybe a dozen or more people that are actually involved in everyday politics in the different state legislatures and of course Congress.

Gun owners are serious people too. We handle the ability to extinguish a person's life and understand that ability so it stands to reason that we are serious. That is not an ability to be taken lightly. Tread on a gun owner and you are likely to be introduced to many of his friends as well...a la militia. Zumbo found out that these gun owners, if crossed, can be turned into a pool of piranhas that will turn on one of their own if the wrong idea is put into words. Non-gun owners and antis cannot get their mind around this kind of loyalty.

So it is not necessarily the NRA that they fear. It is the LOYALTY that the NRA represents that they fear...they just don't understand that.

Another thing that a gun owner represents is education. There are uncounted gun owners that never finished high school or was educated in a school of higher education, but without a doubt, every gun owner knows the law! If he does not understand some part of the law, he asks questions until he understands it. This is another thing that makes gun owners dangerous to people who practice politics. It is not that easy to "get one over on us."

Gun owners are loyal and they are educated in gun law.

AND WE VOTE!

That is what makes us a force to be feared!
 
While the NRA isn't mentioned anywhere in the process, Missouri legislators recently passed, and the Governor signed, a bill which prohibits the sort of gun confiscation which occurred in New Orleans. I have not read the actual bill, only an account of it in my local paper, but it seems to be a one line, unambiguous affirmation of my rights and prohibits anyone from declaring an emergency and saying different!

I just cannot believe there would have been such a (relatively) speedy response to that incident without the vocal nature of the one-issue, hard core voters (me) who also tend to be NRA members (also me).

The NRA isn't perfect, but it's what we have. Any weakening of the NRA would embolden those who want total governmental control of my guns.

Steve
 
So the NRA is obsessed and the Violence Policy Center is not?

It will take a lot of this type of bashing to get people to go back to anti-logic.
 
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