NRA Personal Protection Outside the Home?

[Deanimator]

Is anyone here certified to teach the NRA Personal Protection Outside the Home class?

Has anyone taken it as a student?

I'm certified for Basic Pistol and Personal Protection in the Home.

I'm wondering if it's worth it to me to get certified for Personal Protection Outside the Home.

Thanks.

 

[Fred Fuller]

It sounds like a reasonably demanding POI ( http://www.nrainstructors.org/CourseCatalog.aspx ). I don't see any indication it's accepted as meeting the training requirement for any state's concealed carry permit, do you know if it qualifies for that anywhere?

Can you teach Lesson III (Legal Aspects of Self Defense) in PPITH yourself, or do you have to bring in an attorney or LEO to teach that part? Seems the same requirement is in place for PPOTH...

lpl

 

[mcdonl]

In the club I took my CCW class in Maine, it is offered but in addition to, not in lieu of the Personal Protection in the Home class.

 

[Frank Ettin]

I'm certified for both Personal Protection Inside the Home and Personal Protection Outside the Home. I've taken both as part of becoming certified. However, the group I teach with had not put on a PPOTH class.

I think it, together with PPITH, is very worthwhile for anyone who wants to go beyond the minimum that may be required to get a CCW but can't swing a trip to one of the major schools. It covers considerable material beyond PPITH, including choice of gear, presenting from a holster, moving.

Since it can be a useful course, I think it a fine idea for qualified instructors to get certified, so it can be offered locally. IMO it's important for people who will be carrying gun in public to get some training beyond the minimum usually required. Making courses like PPITH and PPOTH available is therefore a valuable service to the gun community.

 

[Deanimator]

Can you teach Lesson III (Legal Aspects of Self Defense) in PPITH yourself, or do you have to bring in an attorney or LEO to teach that part? Seems the same requirement is in place for PPOTH...

I would ONLY have legal aspects taught by a lawyer, and would NEVER do it myself or have an LEO do it.

I'm going to be doing an Ohio CHL course this month (Basic Pistol + Ohio laws) and wouldn't even consider doing it if I didn't have a lawyer friend I trust available to go over the Attorney General's book.

 

[Fred Fuller]

I would ONLY have legal aspects taught by a lawyer

Well, I didn't want to accuse you of being a lawyer without knowing if you were or not...

lpl

 

[Deanimator]

Well, I didn't want to accuse you of being a lawyer without knowing if you were or not...

My friend is an experienced criminal defense attorney in the area and has dealt with a number of gun cases (including state preemption cases).

If somebody comes to you for a CHL class, I feel that you have a duty to provide them with the best class you can give, especially in light of the somewhat "dodgy" aspects of current Ohio CCW law.

 

[OldCavSoldier]

I am an NRA certified PPITH Instructor. In that course, the legal portion, per the NRA, must be taught by either a Class I LEO or a bar-admitted lawyer. The PPOTH course has a whole different "experience level" required before you can even take the course. To be a PPOTH instructor is another two to three days of "instructor course" stuff.

Most counties in Colorado (the state in which I live) require only NRA Basic Pistol (and, some counties only the First Steps Pistol) as the instruction required for a CCW permit. NRA does not offer a specific CCW course, probably due to each state and county in each state being a little tweak different from each other. The CCW course I offer as part of my instruction package, is the NRA Basic Pistol course with additional information on the CCW laws in the state (ie, where and when one can and cannot carry concealed) plus some discussion and demonstration on different carry options. My clients who graduate from the course and who will apply for their CCW get the NRA certificate plus a different certificate (with my name, address, and NRA instructor number) attesting that they have met the requirements of the NRA basic pistol course including range proficiency that they give to the sheriff's office with their CCW application.

The main value of the PPITH course, in my opinion, is that it is "more training." Something that one really cannot get enough of. The PPOTH course is yet more training, specifically oriented to engagements, as the course name describes, OUTSIDE the home. For those of us with no LEO or military training, PPITH and PPOTH are excellent courses. For those of us WITH LEO or military training, and also with combat experience, the PPITH and PPOTH courses serve as extremely good opportunities to "brush up" on the subject, and to conduct bonding exercises with your HD and CC firearms.

NRA does a great job managing the THOUSANDS of instructors in the US, and they also can provide a list of instructors to anybody who contacts them and asks for it.

 

[mrokern]

I'm a current PPOTH instructor (as well as PPITH, RSO, BP, and RTBAV).

You do NOT need a LEO or attorney to teach the legal section of the class. Those are old rules.

You do, however, need to be authorized to teach the legal aspects of self defense as pertains to your state (I don't remember the exact wording).

As a Minnesota Permit to Carry instructor, certified through the Minnesota Association of Defensive Firearm Instructors (MADFI), I meet that requirement for teaching PPOTH in Minnesota.

Other states, your mileage may vary. To my knowledge, I could not teach a PPOTH class in Wisconsin, for example.

-Mark