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NY Times Op-Ed "A New Way to Tackle Gun Deaths"

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Neo-Luddite, Oct 5, 2015.

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  1. Neo-Luddite

    Neo-Luddite Member

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    Read this for a good giggle--smart guns, microstamping and persons convicted of domestic violence should not be able to own a gun for ten years--did no one at the NY Times get the memo that a conviction for misdemeanor domestic battery already carries a LIFETIME prohibition on firearm ownership?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/04/o...s-kristof-a-new-way-to-tackle-gun-deaths.html

    Some pseudo-science and some tired ideas we need to be wary of.
     
  2. wally

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    Facts don't matter to these types.

    How about a new way to deal with traffic deaths, drug deaths, medical error deaths, etc.
     
  3. P5 Guy

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    Sounds like Martin O'Malley is on the editorial staff on the NY Times. :cuss:
     
  4. lechiffre

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    Most people who want more gun laws don't realize how many laws there already are.
     
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    Even Hillary does not realize the ban on owning a gun after a domestic violence conviction. She proposed that there should be yesterday, along with a bunch of other nonsence.
     
  6. The Exile

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    My face when I read articles like this

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    "Including suicides and accidents" so now we are blaming gun deaths for people who are A. too stupid to live or B. unwilling to live? Well that's pretty disingenuous if you ask me.

    What exactly is the logic here? That gun owners want a new digital competent in their guns that make them more prone to failure and probably won't be cheap? Or do they propose to magically make this a thing required by law? May as well just ban guns when you are proposing magic legislature. Of course all this is screaming ignroance "We make cars and ovens safer when they aren't" well cars and ovens are not weapons by nature, they aren't dangerous by nature. I'd bet if you give people like this everything they wanted when stuff like Oregon happened anyway they'd just figure we need to keep going.
     
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    …or maybe she does know, but figures her followers don't. It's easy to promise to give someone something they already have.
     
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  10. barnbwt

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    Hey, that's what Jeb Bush thinks, too :p
     
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    Electronic triggers could make guns much more accurate.

    Electronic do fail but they can also be extremely reliable in harsh situations

    Bikes are starting to get electronic derraileurs.


    Will be interesting to see how they survive the market
     
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    One could practice a bit and become more proficient with existing triggers.

    One of my favorite quotes (which drives a lot of folks nuts, especially new shooters) comes from Massad Ayoob: A light trigger pull is, more than anything else, a crutch for bad trigger technique.

    Sorry, but as one who made their living troubleshooting industrial electrical / electronics, I have little to no faith in any kind of electronic trigger, especially on a device employed when your life is at stake.
     
  13. Red Eye Fred

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    Smart bullets

    Maybe they could invent bullets that would kill game but not even fire if they were aimed at people:banghead:
     
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    When you're talking about self defense often accuracy isn't the prime issue, don't they often say most self defense scenarios are "three shots in three seconds at three feet"? In general whenever you introduce a new mechanism to a machine in any way it becomes more prone to failure, or you can observe the exact opposite in something really simple like an AK. I think this is especially true when you try and replace a spring loaded mechanism with a digital mechanism.
     
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    One of my cousins posted this article on facebook and called it a great "compromise". I asked her what gun owners get out of the deal, since it's a "compromise". She stated that we get to keep some of our guns. How generous. When I pointed out that smart guns and microstamping are so easily defeated and would only apply to new guns, she said, I swear, "We would make that illegal" (disabling smart guns and microstamps) and "They should require them in older guns". Last time I checked, it was already illegal to kill people and it didn't stop them. :banghead: :banghead:
     
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    I've decided to expand upon my previous comment. In response to my question "What do gun owners get out of this compromise?", one of my cousin's friends commented "less dead people". This was after my previous responses were deleted. After doing a little research on the coal-gas v. natural-gas suicides in the UK thing, I wrote the following. Everything after the coal-gas paragraph is more-or-less a stream-of-consciousness:

    (response to "less dead people")

    I'm sure that will get deleted also, but hopefully some of her liberal friends will be able to read it before hand. They may need to seek a "safe space" if they're not used to opposing views.

    Matt
     
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    "all weapons capable of using magazines that hold more than 10 rounds should be regulated as Class 3 Firearms."

    Speaking of suicidal impulses...:rolleyes:

    I think few antis understand what they are up against; hi cap mags are no longer uncommon, and they & their guns constitute a pretty significant value at this point. Nothing that was ever regulated as class III had those traits. Fewer antis understand what class III regulation even means; a year long wait for a handgun is tantamount to a ban, but worse, since some people will go to the trouble and become VERY effective propaganda against it in short order (assuming the de facto ban doesn't cause straight up rebellion/disobedience).

    Pistols were too common to ban in the '30's, and they are far, far, far too common for that, now. I think it is impossible the antis don't know this. I think they realize they have lost, and the smartest ones are simply keeping the gravy train flowing by spouting increasingly crazy nonsense for attention (much like calls for repealling Obamacare after establishment leaders intentionally whiffed their three strikes)

    TCB
     
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    I'm OK with prohibition against violent felons, but seriously, is anybody really worried Martha Stewart is gonna come gunning for them?
     
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    Those people shouldn't be out of prison.
     
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    This search for "alternative solutions" tells me that the gun-grabbers are flailing and desperate. Their traditional recipes -- registration, licensing, confiscation -- have run up against a brick wall of opposition. They know they can't get anywhere with those plans, because a majority of Americans oppose them. So they're trying an end run with new and deceptive innovations. Maybe some low-information types (including some gun owners) will bite.

    We should see this all as good news for our side. The grabbers are losing, and they know it.
     
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    I agree...if one has paid their debt to society then one should have all rights and privileges restored...and if one cannot be trusted with those rights and privileges, they should not be walking the streets.
     
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    Looking at the article title, None of these are "new" ideas.

    I agree that the gun banners know that they are either losing support or at least not growing support.
     
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    The market (not the government) should decide the usefulness of new design features.
     
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    I say the same thing to the Sanders supporters that I said to the Giuliani supporters:

     
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