NYC CCWer shoots mugger!!!! Is there hope for NYC?

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Wheelchair-bound NYC woman shoots mugger with licensed gun

NEW YORK (AP) -- Margaret Johnson might have looked like an easy target.

But when a mugger tried to grab a chain off her neck Friday, the wheelchair-bound 56-year-old pulled out her licensed .357 pistol and shot him, police said.

Johnson said she was in Harlem on her way to a shooting range when the man, identified by police as 45-year-old Deron Johnson, came up from behind and went for the chain.

"There's not much to it," she said in a brief interview. "Somebody tried to mug me, and I shot him."

Deron Johnson was taken to Harlem Hospital with a single bullet wound in the elbow, police said. He faces a robbery charge, said Lt. John Grimpel, a police spokesman.

Margaret Johnson, who lives in Harlem, has a permit for the weapon and does not face charges, Grimpel said. She also was taken to the hospital with minor injuries and later released.

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I wonder how she got the permit? I cant believe she wasnt charged? Is there hope for NYC?
 
This is proof that CCP works. However, NYC hands out licenses to the connected and the rich. So, there's no deterrant effect as there's NO gun culture in NYC. 99% of NY'ers are very ignorant of firearms and get all their knowledge from TV and movies. It is a prevailing belief that firearms are bad or tools of the bad guys, or they are something only police should have.


Now, most NY'ers will not even know this happened, nor will they care. They'll probably relate this to some organized crime conspiracy theory.


The only people who will take notice are the rich elitist leftist liberals. They will make sure to condemn this as unecessary violence - all while they pack guns themselves.


I made the horrible mistake of living there for 5 years in my early 20's - I'm glad I do not live among those primates any longer. It is like a lite-version of 1930's Germany, except white christian conservative males are the enemy.


So, as for your question "Is there hope for NYC"...IMO, NO.
 
Why would she face charges for a self defense shooting?
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We're talking about NYC, not Texas.

She was probably only given the permit in the first place b/c she convinced them she could not run away from an attack.
 
Many years ago my father was the treasurer of his union local, when dues were collected in cash on payday. He had to transport the cash to the bank and applied for a gun permit. He was denied, and told that he should just carry the cash in a paper sack and no one would know he had money in it. It was implied to him that for a generous donation to a particular politician that a permit might be forthcoming. He could not afford to make the donation, and would not have done so in any case, so he gave up on the idea of a permit. I believe that he did carry a pistol that he had brought back from WWII as a war souvenier, but he would not admit to it. He is long gone from this earth, but I fear a government that would fear an honest man like my dad just trying to do his job.
 
The article says she was on her way to a shooting range so she probably doesn't have the unrestricted permit that most of us in other states take for granted.
 
I agree with the poster above me, and I'm guessing she has a permit to merely possess a pistol (which allows you to practice with it as well). She probably carries it 24/7, though.

I wonder if she thought of saying she was on the way to the range or if the cops told her to say that. It's a little odd, because I'm sure that you arent allowed to have the gun loaded on the way to the range.

Either way, it's good to see the NYC mugger population being thinned out.
 
<sarcasm on> SHOCKING that it wasn't in todays paper here. <sarcasm off>

I am not 100% sure about New York CITY laws but, NY State issues 2 types of licenses and only two. You get licensed BY the State THROUGH the County you live in.

1. Premise (only good in your home/can't be brought to a range)
2. Carry (FULL carry/NOT RESTRICTED BY THE STATE)

"Carry" has a billion sub-categories.

A. Sportsman (target and Hunting)
B. Business
C. Security/employment
Etc.

BY LAW, if you are issued a "carry license", you are LEGALLY LICENSED BY THE STATE OF NEW YORK TO CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON. The restrictions placed on the license are put there by the COUNTY or TOWNSHIP that you live in and are ADMINISTRATIVE in nature...NOT LAW BINDING.

In short, If she had a "Target/Sportsman" license, she CAN NOT be charged with illegal possesion of a weapon BUT, she can lose her license because she did not adhere to the "restrictions" placed on it (can not carry loaded and concealed in NYC).

The State law in NY is fine, it's the power granted to the counties that is horrific. Depending on "which side of the street that you live on", you have different "RIGHTS" as an American/New Yorker.
 
Woman in wheelchair on way to gun practice shoots mugger

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/09/wheelchair.shooter.ap/index.html

Woman in wheelchair on way to gun practice shoots mugger

NEW YORK (AP) -- Margaret Johnson might have looked like an easy target.

But when a mugger tried to grab a chain off her neck Friday, the wheelchair-bound 56-year-old pulled out her licensed .357 pistol and shot him, police said.

Johnson said she was in Manhattan's Harlem neighborhood on her way to a shooting range when the man, identified by police as 45-year-old Deron Johnson, came up from behind and went for the chain.

"There's not much to it," she said in a brief interview. "Somebody tried to mug me, and I shot him."

Deron Johnson was taken to Harlem Hospital with a single bullet wound in the elbow, police said. He faces a robbery charge, said Lt. John Grimpel, a police spokesman.

Margaret Johnson, who lives in Harlem, has a permit for the weapon and does not face charges, Grimpel said. She also was taken to the hospital with minor injuries and later released.
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I think this guy lost some of his street cred!
 
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Surely she did not load it while being mugged?

This may be a case of police officers using common sense discretion not to charge the poor lady.

Wink, wink, ;)
 
Instant Kharma is a wonderful thing. First he gets his "reward" from his victim. Next he'll get his punishment from the government. Now, the only thing missing is that he should have gotten away. That way the government wouldn't have to pay for his hospital bill. Furthermore, he would have been caught anyway.
 
A woman in NYC has a carry permit? And there's a shooting range? This story would make sense in Texas, but NYC??????
 
in NY Times as well

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/09/nyregion/09wheelchair.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Perhaps writing a letter to the editor praising this woman, and condeming the restrictive laws of NYC is in order.

As muggings go, it began like many others. A 56-year-old woman was leaving her building in her wheelchair, her only company the small dog perched on her lap.

Her attacker came from behind, the police said, and there was no one else around. But this attempted robbery had an ending unlike many others. As it turns out, the would-be victim, Margaret Johnson, has a permit to carry a .357 handgun — and she carries it often.

The mugging ended seconds after it began, the police said, when Ms. Johnson pulled out her gun and shot her attacker in his arm. Last night, the man accused of the attempted mugging, Deron Johnson, 45, was in stable condition at Harlem Hospital Center with a gunshot wound to his elbow, the police said. He was under protective custody and is facing a robbery charge, the police said.

Ms. Johnson, who was treated at a local hospital and later released, said she suffered bruises to her neck and arm. “I’m tired, I’m really tired,” she said as she sat in her apartment last night, wearing a tan baseball cap and appearing rattled. “He tried to mug me, so I shot him.”

Friends and neighbors said they were not shocked to learn that the woman known to scoot around her building with her small dog had held her ground. Tio Frederick, 26, a lawyer and neighbor who has known Ms. Johnson for 20 years, called her amicable but tough and spunky. “I wouldn’t assume that if she got mugged she would let someone just take her stuff,” she said.

The encounter began about 3 p.m. on a sidewalk behind 470 Lenox Avenue in Harlem, the building where Ms. Johnson has lived for more than 20 years. The building has a doorman and many of its residents are professionals, but neighbors have recently complained about robberies.

Yesterday, as is often the case, friends said, Ms. Johnson had her small bichon with her, and was going to a nearby firing range. As she rolled out of the building, a man approached, and Ms. Johnson tried to say hello, said Lynell Bunce, 40, a friend who spoke with Ms. Johnson afterward. “She found him walking by, and she was going to say, ‘Good afternoon,’ ” Ms. Bunce said.

Instead of returning the greeting, the man looked away and walked past her without saying a word, Ms. Bunce said. Seconds later, Ms. Johnson felt an arm grab her violently from behind, tearing at her pocketbook and her necklace.

The man managed to get the necklace, but Ms. Johnson refused to let go of her pocketbook, the police said.

As the man choked her and struggled with her, Ms. Johnson pulled out her gun and fired a single shot.

The police said that Ms. Johnson did not have a criminal record and was not facing any charges. The permit she has for her gun allows her to have it in her home and to transport it to a range, which is what she was doing, they said.

The man accused of attacking her, Mr. Johnson (no relation), was described by the authorities as a “robbery recidivist,’’ with nine previous arrests. He spent several years in prison for criminal sale of a controlled substance, and he was released in February 2003, according to Department of Correction Records.

Last night, Ms. Johnson was in no mood to celebrate what she did, friends said. Ms. Bunce, a longtime neighbor, said Ms. Johnson was frightened and threatened never to walk her dog again.

“She was very much the victim,” Ms. Bunce said. “She was scared for her life. She’s devastated.”

Al Baker contributing reporting.
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My wife pointed out that "on her way to a shooting range" is probably liberal journalistic liscense on the part of the writer (or on part of the policemen who wish to protect the lady).

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First NYC has a different set of rules than the rest of the state.Second Bloomberg will probably drive her out of the city ,she's too much of a liability contradicting all of his claims about guns.
 
Her permit will be revoked and she will be sued civily by the perp she shot
 
A .357 to the elbow? Ow-chee wawa!

I do hope it was a full on hit and not a graze. The dude should be crippled when he goes into prison.
 
There's a Shooting range in Harlem?

I mean...with targets and everything? That you can take your pistol to and shoot?

She's black. She's crippled. Let's see if that's enough to let her walk on this one. Maybe Bloomberg sent this goon to "sting" her.

She does need a little training. She stopped shooting before her gun was empty.

Seriously, we ought to send this woman some flowers. Margaret Johnson, 470 Lenox, NY, NY.
 
It's too bad she didn't get the bullet to connect wih a couple of spherical items hanging from the groin. That would have made me very happy.
 
To help clarify for non NY'ers.

NY State will issue any resident a concealed carry permit as long as they pass their background check, The local counties may choose to restrict it if you can't prove a need to carry concealed.

Even if a county restricts the license, you can still carry concealed and loaded to and from a range, and NY has many 24 hr ranges ;)
 
I wish defensive gun uses happened more often in NYC... too bad that laws make that hard.
 
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