NYPD Hwy Patrol pulls Mossberg from duty

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870s take impact abuse better thanks to their steel reciever and seem less subject to small parts breakage as well.
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I'd like to see verification for ANY of this statement.
The steel vs. aluminum receiver is a non-issue. Mossberg's aluminum receiver has proven totally reliable for over 40 years.
Including 25 plus years of hard military service.
They're not known to break; they're not known to bend; they're not known to wear prematurely.
And other than the slight possibility of the plastic safety button breaking (which I personally think is extremely overblown), I'm not aware of any small parts known to break on the 500's.
 
before you bash a firearm, at least know how to spell it. seriously
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I was Kidding not bashing.
And other than the slight possibility of the plastic safety button breaking (which I personally think is extremely overblown), I'm not aware of any small parts known to break on the 500's.
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I used a hammer and screwdriver on a 500 to take off the safety that was already off and the buttonb didn't break.
 
Why is it that NY cops always seem to have gun issues that noone else seems to have?
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Well, if you live in a place where people can't have firearms, then they have no prior experience with guns, then when they become cops they don't know what the heck they are doing and screw things up pretty good.
 
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before you bash a firearm, at least know how to spell it. seriously
I was Kidding not bashing.




My mistake man, sorry. It seems there's still some of this "Mossberg is crap" mentality floating around. They are awesome guns. I've owned 8 or 9 different ones in the past 2 years alone and fire countless shells through them and stripped and reassembled countless times. They are a rugged, simple, efficient gun. When I rack an 870p or Wingmaster hard, I almost feel bad about it, mostly because of the price. Remington's one fine, mean machine but I prefer The Mossbergs....they just feel good. They feel like a battle axe. :D
 
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Well, if you live in a place where people can't have firearms, then they have no prior experience with guns, then when they become cops they don't know what the heck they are doing and screw things up pretty good.
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Looks like Mossberg is not the only thing being bashed.
 
It seems there's still some of this "Mossberg is crap" mentality floating around.
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It's known as "snobbery". The opinion that my preference or choice is superior to your preference or choice.
We see it everywhere. Cars, trucks, beer, cigarettes, etc..
It seems that if you choose anything different than someone else, you've made a serious tactical mistake.
There is absolutely zero documented evidence to back it up.
But it's still a very popular game.
And often a lot of fun to watch.
 
Many who have dealt with government agencies have seen this kind of announcement all too often. It is generally known as a "Slam Letter" and can come in the form of a press release or public announcement. This particular Slam Letter was apparently sent to the New York Post for distribution.

The purpose of a Slam Letter by a public agency serves the purpose of forcing a private sector vendor into complying with a demand from that agency or to punish that vendor for non-compliance with a demand. The NYPD is famous for their "Slam Letter" campaigns and have even gotten thousands of new guns and free service from Glock using this tactic. I suspect that Mossberg is falling victim to this underhanded tactic because the NYPD was requesting something pretty unreasonable from them. Why would Mossberg not go out of their way to please the world's largest police agency? Especially when that agency is known for using tactics like this.

This is definitely a case of "Shame on the NYPD" and not one of "Shame on Mossberg".

This story will play out with a future announcement of some type of FREE product or service from Mossberg, and the lingering black eye that Mossberg will have to wear.
 
Glad to see some Mossy support. My 590a1 has been the most bad a%^ of shotguns I've ever owned. Every Mossberg I've ever owned has simply gotten better with time and use. Never had a single part break or bend even. The ONLY issue I've ever had with a Mossberg gun is a couple springs binding up in a 590. That's a 5 dollar upgrade.
 
I hunted with a 870 and the City issued 870's but I have a Mossberg 500 for the house. When I was on the Street I went to the Shotgun Rack and picked the 870 with the smoothest action took it home and gave it a good cleaning refinished the wood and put it in my locker at work. Used it for 5 years before anyone found out and made me put it back in the rack.
 
I'd like to see verification for ANY of this statement.
The steel vs. aluminum receiver is a non-issue. Mossberg's aluminum receiver has proven totally reliable for over 40 years.
Including 25 plus years of hard military service.
They're not known to break; they're not known to bend; they're not known to wear prematurely.
And other than the slight possibility of the plastic safety button breaking (which I personally think is extremely overblown), I'm not aware of any small parts known to break on the 500's.
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Sorry, no links, I'm just going by what I've heard from various gunsmiths, servicemen and high volume shooters, also from by what I've seen first hand as most of my local shooting buddies have Mossbergs. I'm not a Mossberg hater, nor do I believe they're delicate, but everthing I've seen points to the 870 being that much stronger IMO.
 
870s take impact abuse better thanks to their steel receiver and seem less subject to small parts breakage as well.
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You may be right about the first I've have never used a hammer or anything other type of impact abuse to test my 870's or 500's. But what small parts of a 500 or 590 are prone to breakage that are not equally susceptible with the 870?

but everything I've seen points to the 870 being that much stronger IMO.
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Does anyone here have a picture of a bent, broken, or prematurely worn out Mossberg receiver that was not cause by significant neglect that a 870 would have other wised come out unharmed with it's steel receiver? If so I would like to see it and what caused it.

I'm not saying your wrong at all youngster and sorry if I'm singling you out but I just think in my personal opinion that the receiver thing is blown way out of proportion as well as the plastic safety.

I own all of the pumps mentioned here. A few older 870 Wingmasters, an 870express, three 500's, and a Ithaca 37 d.s. police, I don't feel like the 500's are any less reliable than the rest. Maybe not as nice or worth as much but just as reliable and able to do the job.

Sounds like Mossberg forgot an under the table payment.
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I would say this or the Slam Letter theory is probably the actual reason for the recall and "press release".
 
You may be right about the first I've have never used a hammer or anything other type of impact abuse to test my 870's or 500's. But what small parts of a 500 or 590 are prone to breakage that are not equally susceptible with the 870?
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I'm no Mossberg expert but off the top of my head;

Plastic safeties, plastic trigger assemblies, action bars where they join the forend tube, broken ejectors, extractors that come loose or break, the springs don't seem to be very good throughout and the overall build quality is usually pretty so-so.
 
Plastic safeties, plastic trigger assemblies, action bars where they join the forend tube, broken ejectors, extractors that come loose or break, the springs don't seem to be very good throughout and the overall build quality is usually pretty so-so.
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So don't buy one.

Me, I've been hunting with mine for 20 years now and it's still kickin' butt on the ducks. I MUCH prefer it to my old Wingmaster for the ergos. The safety, the lack of a shell elevator in the way on loading, the slide release, and the fact that it is lighter and points better and comes to the shoulder quicker doesn't hurt, either. That's probably because it doesn't have a heavy steel receiver weighting it down. But, that's just my bias. I shoot lefty which does help my bias, but I prefer a tang safety to crossbolt anyway, regardless. It's just more natural.
 
I have a Mossberg 500 that's about 20 years old and has been used hard. I've put huge numbers of all kinds of stuff through it. So far the only problems with the core action is the spring that holds the trigger group retaining pin has fallen out and the hole in the plastic trigger group is a bit oval due to years of recoil.

At one point I had a scope mount that used the trigger group pin hole and the ejector screw to hold it in place - that may have damaged the retaining spring, and I used to cast and reload my own slugs and buckshot so this gun had several hundred full power slug loads through it. In my younger years I was fairly generous with the powder charges figuring a pump gun was plenty strong enough. I shot my scope to pieces and broke some safety glasses in the process, but the gun still locks up tight.
 
Sorry, no links, I'm just going by what I've heard from various gunsmiths, servicemen and high volume shooters, also from by what I've seen first hand as most of my local shooting buddies have Mossbergs. I'm not a Mossberg hater, nor do I believe they're delicate, but everthing I've seen points to the 870 being that much stronger IMO.
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Not to doubt your experience, but...OK, I'm doubting your experiences. I have heard this forever; "the 870 is SOOO much more robust" than the aluminum receiver mossberg or winchester competitors.

The only 870 I have used extensively would not extract reliably & felt rough & course through its stroke. I was told that most 870 need to have the chamber polished to function properly. Stupid me, I thought a gun should work when you buy it. Every 870 I have handled has the same rough action and long throws, and many I have been exposed to would not extract 100%.

My fragile 1300 with its wimpy aluminum receiver still looks new after thousands of rounds. Never had a single jam, and it always goes bang. Cycles like butter, and is lightning fast. I could spend more for an 870, send it to Wilson, spend another 1500 bucks, get it back after a thorough work over & it still will not be as smooth as my aluminum 1300.

But you're right, that heavy 870 receiver could sure hammer nails, or, pry something heavy, or, club a baby seal or something. Certainly feels like it would be useful.
 
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I actually like the Ithaca 37 more than the 870, but there's a reason that the 870 is still the gold standard of comparision when it comes to pump guns.
 
or you could spend 300, get a used wingmaster, and have the BEST.

870 express is not an 870 in my opinion, its an 870 cheaped down to compete with the mossberg.
 
I can honestly say I have worn out a barrel on a mossy. I have lost a few parts while hunting as well (screws). In the end it still functions just fine. It was given to me by my father when I was 12 and is a low serial number gun(was told it was made during the first year of production). I was about to get rid of it, but instead got a new barrel with the removable choke tubes. I am still using it as my primary shotgun. It is the only shot gun I have had that I can hold the gun vertically, hit the action release button and the slide will come down on its own weight and kick out a shell. Very smooth...
 
but there's a reason that the 870 is still the gold standard of comparision when it comes to pump guns.
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The 870 hasn't led any kind of a standard since 2003 when it dropped out of the lead in sales. The Mossy has led in sales since 2004 and continues to increase its market share while the 870 falls in sales percentage.

And your other post....

Plastic safeties, plastic trigger assemblies, action bars where they join the forend tube, broken ejectors, extractors that come loose or break, the springs don't seem to be very good throughout and the overall build quality is usually pretty so-so.
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In twenty five years of smithing them, I've seen TWO broken safety buttons on a Mossy. One was intentionally broken. Comparable Remingtons also have the same plastic trigger assemblies. The action bars? Huh? Mossie ejectors break no more than any other shotgun....FAR less than 870 Express guns....but where a Remington 870 is a $50+ gunsmith fix, the Mossy is two minutes with a slotted screwdriver on your kitchen table. Extractors? Huh? Have you ever really used a Mossberg? They're solid steel, thicker and stronger than a Remington, there's TWO in a Mossy where the 870 has one, and again, it's a two minute fix. They very rarely break and they *don't* come loose. Springs....a nice open ended allusion. What springs might you mean? The only one you experience is the mag spring....so you're saying the mag spring is better? In what ways? Another fellow here a while back told us that his "factory" Remington mag spring was a jagged cut off unfinished end spring that punched through his PLASTIC follower. Now you, you're saying they're better than Mossy springs?

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