NYPD seeks way to let guns 'talk' to one another ...

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Of cource it's not the cops fault, it's obviously the gun! And now we need smarter guns or else people may get hurt!

LOL this idea is a joke
 
The recent incident they cite involved two officers not in uniform. One just got off duty and saw someone trying to steal his car, and chased the thief down the street with gun drawn. Second officer in plain clotes sees a black guy with a gun chasing another guy down the street, and kills the black guy with the gun.

The technology they propose would not have changed that incident.
 
off duty or plainclothes cops with trackable RFIDs?

It just shows the cluelessness of those who come up with such stupid ideas. What makes you think that the guys who your undercover officers, or even just regular cops, fight against and now are coming after them can't just access the RFID data as well, leading them right to the cop?

You might as well give all violent criminals home addresses, license plates numbers, and 24/7 location data on all the LEOs who were involved in their arrest.

Many LE weapons are also stolen every year. It wouldn't be hard for a criminal to use such a weapon, be deemed "safe," and then be able to take out a bunch of LEOs since they let their guard down. Or... it would not be difficult to spoof the detection either, so that you can pretend to be "safe" when you really aren't.
 
I read the article...

A plain clothed off duty officer chased a burglar. At some point three plain clothed detectives tell the off duty officer, now with his service weapon drawn, to stop. The off duty officer, "turned around and was shot."

If the 3 detectives would have said, "stop, this is the police, stop, and put your hands in the air" and the off duty officer would have replied, after dropping the gun, with his hands in the air, "I am an officer." None of this would have happened.

This was a lack of identifying themselves. Without being there, and reading the article, that's what I would say. I would suspend the 3 detectives for failing to identify themselves.

That's my two cents.

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Beau
 
All cops nationwide (heck, make it worldwide!) need retraining and constant reminders to immeadiately identify themselves when off duty or not in uniform to other cops in uniform. Everyone can get complacent which sadly happened recently in NYPD incident.

The only thing that would work is having Badges talking to each other using bluetooth cell phone earpieces. Heavily encrypted, designed by "good guy" hackers to be secure from the start. Being NY however they probably won't do that and might sadly botch it as NY (state and City, and NJ too) often does.
 
NYC Police should only have open-carry Batons, on a teather, no 'guns'...it'd cut down on their screw ups far better than infra red or wireless sensors.
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Actually, a 19th century governor of New York suggested exactly that for the New York state militia. He was opposed to spending money on firearms, ammunition and marksmanship training for them.
 
Given that RFID tags require no power themselves, I would expect that putting an RFID tag in the shield/badge would be an effective start to providing BFT. The obvious problem is for plainclothes, who really don't need to be beaconing their presence since they have no way to control who is 'pinging' them.

The military has used Blue Force Tracker (BFT) technology for years. It's not built into the weapons; it's in the radios (which is a logic place to put ID transmitters, no?). It also requires active useage - the Bad Guys can't just broadcast a beacon and see who responds a la RFID.
 
Doesn't it seem like technology just makes politicians dumber.

A t-shirt, would do similarly identify any police officer wearing it. However it would probably cost 1/100th the price and a t-shirt warning can easily be overridden if it falls into the hands of a bad guy.

This RFID/Infra red system would last until the first engagement where policemen approach a suspect from opposite sides, or a terrorist somehow gets ahold of a beeper and goes on a shooting rampage because the police weapons will not work, and no civilians are armed.

Never the less I am sure Shumer and Pelosi will give some contractor hundreds of millions to investigate.
 
dumb idea

You have to think about this technology in the hands of the least qualified, dumbest cop. Obviously, devices can and will fail, right? If you think that all these devices will all be working all the time, then stop reading now.

OK, we've established that at least some devices will fail. We've also established that the least qualified, dumbest cops must depend on these devices. So, imagine the problem there. Do you still not see the problem?

OK, I'll give you a scenario. A dumb cop comes across an undercover cop with a faulty device that doesn't signal the undercover cop is actually a cop. The dumb cop shoots because he thinks the undercover cop is not actually a cop because of the faulty device. Further, the dumb cop has a defense in court: "Per procedure, I made a visual inspection of his device to verify if he was a cop."
 
ny wants to make sure no police officer shoots another police officer. they want something in the gun that keeps it from firing if there are other police guns around.
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It's all just a lot of placating and windbaging. The stars and bars have to say something to quell potential riots, regardless of how ridiculous it sounds. It's summertime you know, and everybody who has no responsibilities looks for any reason to get out of those hot apartment buildings and hit the streets to cause as much damage as possible.
Remember Watts in Calif. and the Harlem riots in NY. With jobs and pensions being lost, and with the economy and government being what it is, people are angry and just look for excuses to cause chaos. Conditions are very ripe right now throughout the entire country.
 
Cops shooting each other or anyone else accidentally is a tragedy and they need to work on it.
But it won't contribute to starting riots again.

I hope the dead officer's family is taken care of. These dumb ideas floated at the political level take focus away from the people who really need it.
 
Cops shooting each other or anyone else accidentally is a tragedy and they need to work on it.
But it won't contribute to starting riots again.
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Lets hope not. As long as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson stay out of it, and don't start with their usual rhetoric.
 
I only agree with cops being as well armed as citizens. If NY citizens aren't allowed to have guns than neither should the cops.

And the "technology" ideas of the left are a farce. They are an attempt to make weapons and weapon production so expensive that the unwashed masses can't have them anymore. IMO.
 
With the possible exception of uniforms, and even that can be faked, survival in the furball ("Jackpot" is the local Police version) requires some split second guesses and a knowledge of who's who.... The latter isn't always possible, and in a large PD, even tougher. One suggestion I saw elsewhere (on this same topic) is to have "foreign" Officers (undercover, another district, etc.) come by and meet as many of the other troops as possible.

Most LEO's can spot another one in seconds, with a little chatter, but you don't have that luxury all the time.

If you remember the old "NYPD Blue" series, "I'm on the Job" or some words to that effect, along with hands in the air, was often used. Whether NYPD actually does that, I can't say, but it's not a bad idea. (The PD I hung with - as a rent-a-cop - used to have groveling practice, but that's another story :D.)

(Actually, we never discussed it. Most everybody knew everybody who wasn't working in uniform. 'Bout 250 sworn, but not that many plainclothes. Rentals like me tended to be "around" both ways, and known to everybody we'd likely run into.)

There really is no good solution to this - training, etc., helps, but can't cover every possible situation, lighting issue, and somebody just messing up. Technical solutions don't seem to be viable - just too easy to fake or deactivate. Short of a "heads-up" display of local RFID contacts.... :(

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