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Obama Blames U.S. for Mexican Gun Violence

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by JFrame, May 3, 2013.

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  1. Manco

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    Yes, Bill Clinton obstructed justice, but that is nothing compared to Obama openly and brazenly acting against his oath to uphold the Constitution and the interests of the United States. Clinton might have been a horny lying buffoon, but Obama is an enemy of the state, and that is a fact.

    Depressingly, we bear responsibility for both the latter and having elected a traitor to the highest office of the land. :eek: This is not about guns, really, but of course they and those who exercise their RKBA will be blamed and punished nevertheless because the militia of the people is always a threat to tyranny.
     
  2. SharpsDressedMan

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    Legalizing drugs would just put more of a strain on welfare and federal money. I think we should forget Afghanistan and send our troops to Mexico to kick the Cartels' butts in a big way. Mexico could like it or not, or help with it or not. Who would trust their government anyway until the Cartels are neutralized enough to no longer have them (the government) in their pocket?
     
  3. TheSaint

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    This is beyond a lame duck President, this is one that continues to insult the very office he serves by continually claiming there is nothing good about American society. We're all hateful, gun-toting maniacs, and get this---we're now exporting all of the horrible things we do. My lord, we need to impeach this man. He is unfit to serve in public office.
     
  4. Solo

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    I swear we've tried that before...
     
  5. TCB in TN

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    Sorry I disagree with this. 1st of all the folks on the welfare roles are in large part already partaking in plenty of drugs. It isn't like pot, coke, and a host of other illegal drugs are not very easily accessible to anyone who wants it. Legalizing drugs would create an legal growth industry here than can be monitored and taxed (a selling point to the government). It would also cut out a lot of the need for those violent individuals who are currently running the show.

    Taking that money away would vastly reduce the influence of the cartels. We could use our own troops on the borders to stop illegals from entering, which for the most part would NOT be bringing drugs etc in because the market here would likely support itself. ( Not to mention that we don't need to do any more nation building, IMHO the Mexicans need to go back to their country and take it back and build it up)

    I don't do drugs, I seldom even drink, but prohibition didn't work 90 years ago, and it isn't working today.
     
  6. Coop45

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    I'm guessing that those sneaky Canadians are responsible for the mess in Chicago. Oh sorry, I forgot Chicago is Utopia!
     
  7. Sam Cade

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    This is, without a doubt, one of the crazier things I have ever seen posted on THR.

    ...and for the record, the vast majority of illicit opiates (read that as heroin) come from...from...from.... Afghanistan. I've recently seen estimates as high as 90%.
     
  8. 76shuvlinoff

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    I think US military along the southern border is a great idea. I am not sure how much it would affect the drug trade but it might stem the tide of undocumented voters.
     
  9. 45_auto

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    Yeah, that worked so well in Afghanistan against the Taliban that we should do it again. Do you expect the cartels to line up in uniform and face off against the 4th Infantry Division? Or maybe you just intend to wipe out the entire Mexican population in your attempt to destroy the cartel members living among them?

    You may find this article from last month concerning the effectiveness of the US involvement in Afghanistan against the opium (heroin) trade interesting:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/w...m-production-increases-for-3rd-year.html?_r=0
     
  10. ThorinNNY

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    Sorry,President Obama, but your`e exploiting Mexico`s violence problem for your own nefarious purposes. I tend to blame Mexicans for Mexican violence - I`m having a hard time seeing things from your perspective- the perspective of a practioner of cranio-rectal eversion .
    I`ve always believed you have to respect the office the President of the United States of America even if you cannot respect the man holding it,but is becoming increasingly difficult to respect that office when the man occupying it has no respect for the office of the president.
     
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  11. FitGunner

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    Defending and leading our country is not on his 'to-do' list.
     
  12. skimbell

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    Yeah, why can't they just keep him on the golf course.
     
  13. lionking

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    While the debate on the war on drugs itself is a separate discussion away from the THR , the fact is the drug war leads to gun violence which the anti's then attempt to link to the need for gun control so it is in the interests of 2nd amendment supporters.

    The drug war as is currently is a failed policy that has created gun violence as well as violence in general, it has created more crime than it has stopped, it has created over bearing police doctrine that for example leads to a Kansas couple to be wrongfully raided because buying hydroponic supplies.

    http://news.yahoo.com/kansas-couple-indoor-gardening-prompted-pot-raid-182449463.html

    It creates a self serving bureaucracy by all who benefit financially from the war on drugs from government to police to corporations to the prison and judicial system at our tax payer expense and our expense of lost liberty while of course also creating and benefiting criminals again at our expense when criminals rob and create war to supply themselves.

    And then the ripple effect when politicians then use this as a need to ban and limit our guns because.

    Meanwhile after all this, drugs are readily available underground for who ever wants them.

    It is a big F for fail.
     
  14. HOOfan_1

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    Maybe he wants to be the next president of Mexico? Maybe he will come up with a birth certificate from Baja.

    Mexico has only had violence problems through out recorded history...
    Aztec making war on other tribes so they could get prisoners and cut their harts out.
    Cortes goes in and slaughters many of the inhabitants
    Fight for independence from Spain
    Countless Civil Wars and Revolutions into the 20th century...including raiding into The United States

    Yeah, I think the Mexicans are perfectly capable of fomenting their own violence
     
  15. we are not amused

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    I think it is time to point out that yes, American guns are getting into the hands of Mexican criminals.

    How do we know this?

    Because the Attorney General of the United States, Eric Holder, sent them to them.

    Remember "Fast and Furious"?

    So the President is absolutely correct in his statement.

    Now what does he plan to do about it? Fire Eric Holder and send him to Mexico to face Justice for his actions?

    Not likely. No the President, who is just another Gun Grabber, who quite probably had advanced knowledge of "Fast and Furious", will continue in his support of the criminal Eric Holder, after all, to quote Hillary Clinton, "What does it matter" that a few laws were broke, a few Americans died, and a lot of Mexicans died? It's for a good cause, taking away the rights of those "who bitterly cling to their guns and religion".

    Just kind of curious, how many of the people on this forum, who voted for Obama, still think it was a good idea?
     
  16. Blackstone

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    This actually beggars belief. He sends guns to Mexico through F&F. People who predicted that he would then use that to justify more gun control measures in the US, were laughed at. But look what's happened here. How can this man stand at a podium and basically denounce the country he is the so-called leader of?!
     
  17. Ken70

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    When you had conservatives like William F. Buckley advocating legalize drugs; there are so many advantages to doing it. Just getting rid of the pushers, marketing weasels that are trying to expand the market. Govt dope puts them out of business, who's going to buy the expensive illegal stuff when you can get it from the govt? Just think of all the crime to get the money to buy from the pushers, no more. They should do test programs in a couple of states to fine tune it before doing the country.
     
  18. SharpsDressedMan

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    Dumb idea to send troops into Mexico to cope with a border problem? OK, let's just ignore the border. THAT seems to work so well. I'd just like to try a different approach, and deal with border problems FIRST, before continuing to be an international failure.
     
  19. Solo

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    I don't believe anyone is for ignoring the border, but the first response to a border problem should not be a full scale invasion of the other country in pursuit of criminal organizations. It would make about as much sense as Mexico sending troops into the US to deal with MS-13.
     
  20. saltydog452

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    Yeah but...

    If dope were to receive the blessing of being legal there wouldn't be a pressing need for hookers and pimps to ply their trade.

    What'd we do for negotiable romance then?

    salty
     
  21. Sam Cade

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    No, not dumb.

    Monumentally stupid.
     
  22. Sam Cade

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    Well, the sex trade is going to exist regardless of drug policy but a saner drug policy *will* eliminate the reason that many turn to it.


    The next step is to legalize and regulate the sex trade itself (as most of the western world does) which makes it safer for everyone involved.
     
  23. Solo

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    Open with a bid of $50 an hour.
     
  24. we are not amused

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    Yes, I got accused of being a tin foil hatter for suggesting that as a reason for "fast and Furious" by a moderator.

    Wonder if he still feels that way?:neener:
     
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