Odd 45-70 question.

[Blkhrt13]

I know grain weight makes a bullet fall regardless. But it occurred to me to ask, is it only the risk of someone putting them in a lever gun that has kept anyone from making a spitzer bullet for single shots to see what it does for range? I know there is lever revolution. But is there another? I see Barnes makes a semi spitzer. Anyone play with this?

 

[AJC1]

I know grain weight makes a bullet fall regardless. But it occurred to me to ask, is it only the risk of someone putting them in a lever gun that has kept anyone from making a spitzer bullet for single shots to see what it does for range? I know there is lever revolution. But is there another? I see Barnes makes a semi spitzer. Anyone play with this?

There are tons of "pointy" molds for lead casters. With 5 and 600 grain bullets that are used in rugers and highwalls.

 

[Blkhrt13]

There are tons of "pointy" molds for lead casters. With 5 and 600 grain bullets that are used in rugers and highwalls.

I guess I need to look at moulds

 

[Charlie98]

The Postel bullet is one of them... a lot of guys load them for the distant shoots.

 

[gwpercle]

Check out the rifles bullets and loads used in Black Powder Cartridge Rifle Silhouette Shooting where the close targets are 200 meters ... and the far away targets are at 500 meters .
45-70 is one of the most popular calibers and for that distance Spitzer and Spire-Point "pointy" are used . Not every 45-70 is a Lever action ... If you wish to shoot "pointed" bullets in a lever gun you can ... load one in the chamber and one in the magazine ... Tah-Dah , there you go !
There are more pointed cast bullet designs for the 45 caliber black powder rifles than you can shake a stick at .
By now someone should make a 45 cal . spire pointed jackted bullet ... I see Hornady makes a 325 gr. FTX ... but that might be that flex tip thing ... all the rest of the 45 - 70 jacketed bullets are RN or FN .
It looks like if you realy want a 45 cal. Spire Point you will need to get a bullet mould and pour lead ... powder coated they could be driven to very respectable velocities .
Gary

 

[Blkhrt13]

I should have known a guy couldn’t come up with a new idea on a 100+ year old cartridge

 

[AJC1]

I should have known a guy couldn’t come up with a new idea on a 100+ year old cartridge

If you look for monos you may find a pointy one designed for the 458 mag.

 

[Soonerpesek]

458 Caliber .458 Diameter 500 Grain Triple Shock Flat Base 20 Count by Barnes (midsouthshooterssupply.com)

458 Caliber .458 Diameter 450 Grain Triple Shock Flat Base 20 Count by Barnes (midsouthshooterssupply.com)

There are others, but OOS at the moment.....
I have not loaded any of these.....

 

[Riomouse911]

Often the Barnes X bullets are light for caliber, like my 85 gr 6mm, 85 gr .257 or 120 gr 7mm bullets. Since they’re lighter than bullets with added lead cores they can get too long to stabilize well when getting up to conventional weights-for-caliber.

A 500 gr .458 X bullet would get pretty long and eat up a lot of case volume if the bullet is seated where it will function through a repeater. Since the X bullet likes velocity high enough so there is speed to open, I don’t know if a .45/70 can drive them fast enough to get a full mushroom in anything other than a No. 1 or converted Mauser.

Stay safe.

 

[Blue68f100]

Barnes came out with a line that works with the 458 SOCOM velocities (1700fps) , which are pretty close to the 45/70. I never went over the 300 gr TSSX weight class in my SOCOM. These have been the most accurate bullet I have ever shot out of my SOCOM. These have no problems dropping 200 # hogs at 100 yrds.

 

[AJC1]

Barnes came out with a line that works with the 458 SOCOM velocities (1700fps) , which are pretty close to the 45/70. I never went over the 300 gr TSSX weight class in my SOCOM. These have been the most accurate bullet I have ever shot out of my SOCOM. These have no problems dropping 200 # hogs at 100 yrds.

I haven't checked because subs aren't my thing but maybe maker does a Rex for subsonic that fits all the requirements

 

[Offfhand]

As mentioned in post#2 above, there are some "pointy" cast bullets that work very well in the .45-70. Attached is my Ruger No.1 with a couple of cast bullets I shoot and hunt with. The pointy bullet on right is from a SAECO mould.

 

[Blkhrt13]

As mentioned in post#2 above, there are some "pointy" cast bullets that work very well in the .45-70. Attached is my Ruger No.1 with a couple of cast bullets I shoot and hunt with. The pointy bullet on right is from a SAECO mould. View attachment 1120373 View attachment 1120374

Is there any difference in range or effectiveness? Tumbling after a distance?