# of rounds fired, LE vs. Civilian

[TexasRifleman]

There is quite a difference in the amount of authority/power an LEO has in the real world vs. Private citizens

Now the truth comes out, and you said it first.

It's a power trip, nothing else. Which is why I took offense to the thing in the first place.
Judges exercise FAR more power than cops, heck so do game wardens in most states.
That kind of thinking is why you see so many anti-LEO posts and comments, and it's unfortunate.

As an LEO you only have "power" granted to you by us lowly private citizens. New Orleans is a good example of what you are talking about; that ego trip that somehow that badge sets LEOs apart from the "rest".

The amount of power one wields in his JOB should not give one rights or privileges over others and I'm disappointed that you feel it does.

 

[halfacop]

What I meant to explain but didn't take the time to was a simple difference in the fact that in a situation such as a person with a gun discharging rounds at the people, a regular citizen can feel free to run the other way where as a LEO has sworn to face the problem head on or answer to his actions for not doing so.

I'm not saying they are this above the law group of individuals that are to be separate from everyone else. They are however not in the same catagory as your average husband/wife leaving for work in the local factory or office.

They do an outstanding job everyday of trying to make sure the peace is kept and that you can sleep soundly at night - just like the wonderful men/woman in the military serving our country.

 

[TexasRifleman]

They do an outstanding job everyday of trying to make sure the peace is kept and that you can sleep soundly at night - just like the wonderful men/woman in the military serving our country.

Absolutely, won't even think about disagreeing with that.

 

[2PAK]

Our Man in Seattle

Yesterday, a nutcase outside the Westlake Mall in Seattle started beating the crap out of a guy minding his own business. However, this "guy" (our man in Seattle) happened to have a WA State Pistol permit and, he was carrying that day, thankfully.

As the smack down was in progress and our man was down for the count on the pavement (as best as I can determine from press accounts), he drew his little friend (whatever that was as no one knows at the moment what the ca. was). The point is, he fired once, the nutcase went down and our man ceased firing and sat down to wait for the Police. He did several other things right but that's not the point of this post.

Back to the original post: IMHO, its true. Generally speaking, civilians fire 1-4 shots and the Police, in general fire more rounds. Having said that, I have no evidence to back that up other than being former military, security and LEO myself and seeing it first hand. There are probably many reasons for LEO's firing more rounds but, I wont go into them here.

On the flip side, the bad guys (mostly the non professional BG's) usually hose down the world with worse consequences than whatever LEO's would do.

 

[OH25shooter]

When they are in a situation where they are facing an armed criminal, they are free to take whatever action they deem necessary as part of the job, whereas we face could limitless lawsuits now matter how we handle a threat.

I don't know here you live, but in my department (all as far as I know in Ohio) officers can and have been charged criminally in fatal shootings. An officer who fatally kills a suspect is automatically removed from duty. The case facts are presented to a grand jury while he/she awaits the outcome. And believe me, many are sued afterwards. Officer shootings are in a fishbowl more than a civilian taking armed action.

 

[btsyshsbnd]

my theory and it's only a theory is that ccw holders tend to practice more then officers who sometimes only have to qualify yearly by firing a couple of mags worth of ammo. I know this isn't the way every dept works but I know back in the day when I had a ccw I fired a min. of 200 rounds each month and the friends I have that ccw fire at least that many.

 

[Harley Quinn]

In my life and career

The dept I was with, every month.
Now I believe it is every 3 or ???

Depends what you are in and where you work. Most active guys shoot more,
People who carry guns should be able to hit what they are aiming at.

My total disgust is people who talk the talk can not and do not walk the walk.
Gotten me into trouble big time.

HQ

 

[Rev. DeadCorpse]

This would make a good argument for those "only police should have guns" types.

Case in point. Cop killer in Florida a couple weeks ago. Cops catch up with him, expend 110 rounds in his direction. Coronors report shows that only 68 round actually hit him.

Contrast:

Westlake Center Seattle. Random nut attacks CCW holder. One shot to the abdomen and random nut dies at the hospitol.

Draw your own conclusions.

 

[Geronimo45]

I think the reason the question is being asked could be for the revolver-vs-semi debate - which one is better for CCW? A lot of rounds, or a few powerful rounds in an extremely reliable package?

Maybe the key difference is distance and weapon. A CCW'er will usually draw and fire at a target very close to him/her.
A police officer who draws may be firing at a suspect at a longer distance from him... and usually has a larger weapon with greater capacity, since printing is not an issue for most cops. Cops are more likely to be in a gunfight than you are - and high capacity allows for suppressive fire.

 

[Harley Quinn]

Suppresive and suppression

Big thing when shooting at someone then being able to do it with out getting hit. The guy who decides to take on the copper is, dedicated.

Most of the shooting of a ccw is a surprise and usually they are unk at the time.

HQ

 

[Mannlicher]

I am sure someone has already pointed out that we are all 'civilians', LEO and Citizens alike.
When cops shoot Citizens, they seem to use a LOT of ammo.

 

[mpmarty]

LEOS vs CCWs

OK, first off, many of us who carry concealed are IN FACT LEOs so that may cloud the issue somewhat; nevertheless, here is a suggestion for you seekers of "statistics". Go to the GSSF website and review the Civilian vs tha Law Enforcment scores for the top twenty-five percent of both classes. End of discussion. Most LE folks don't go into that line of work so they can shoot. Most CCW folks are into firearms and shoot as often as they can and so have a higher level of ability when it comes to "close encounters".