Oh com'on - Weaponology : SAS

[hksw]

I know Weaponology is one of the not-so-good shows in terms of accurate information but I always thought Doc Atwater was pretty accurate in his portions of the shows but he just made a big error.

Whilst downloading music and music videos on my iPod, I have Weapology going in the background. Subject is the SAS and at the time focused on the Browning P35 High Power. Doc Atwater mistakenly called it gas powered.

Then, while discussing the reasoning the SAS went from the HP to The SIG P226, a couple folks demonstrate the difference in accuracy/precision, one of which was Ken Hackathorn. One guy shooting the SIG the other the HP. Different sized groups (the HP looked to be at least twice the size of the HP, the gun Ken was shoting), hence the reason for the change. A poor experiment IMO, particularly a poor showing my Ken. (Just before that the narrator, who I hate due to his lack of knowledge about anything military, state the ambidextrousness of the SIG . They even talked about the new laser grips for it, further .) Now I like the P226, it is my favorite centerfire handgun to shoot, but I've never seen a disparity in accuracy between it and the HP as much as what was displayed.

Cripes I thought that show was starting to improve. Doesn't look like it.

 

[Hoppy590]

i say it too. not to mention the guy who threw the flashbang as he rounded the corner.

i fail to see how the SA BHP has a "heavier" trigger than the DA Sig. ( assuming they were using it as it was made, DA first shot)

also, while a laser site is good for quick hits. in that target shoot, i see no advantage, they are always slightly off set

 

[tbreed725]

the guy shooting the sig was larry vickers i saw the episode too , i was surprised by the gas powered remark. laser are good for their intended range and a scare factor imo.

 

[sniper5]

Yeah, Atwater surprised me on that one too. Almost coughed coffee all over myself.

But I guess in a way all semis function with gas pressure--sort of, kind of, if you really stretch it, maybe, sometimes indirectly. . . Oh, the hell with it!!

OK, it's a stretch. Just trying to cut him some slack. A lot of it.

 

[MGD 45]

Yeah, I saw the same episode this weekend and when they were having a shoot-off to show that the Sig was superior to the HP, because the Sig guy shot a tighter group than the HP guy......I thought, how accurate is that experiment?

Two different shooters!! Put the dang guns in a mechanical ransom pistol rest and shoot them without any human interference. Then see which one shoots a tighter group.....

I think he also meant to say that the gun operates on a "gas blowback" design to cycle the next round unlike a revolver which doesn't......

 

[CountGlockula]

I just saw the show last night. Does Atwater have an email address to express our opinions on?

But one thing that impressed me about the SAS episode was that they use LIVE rounds in training.

That's a pretty bold, but brave type of tactical training.

I still like the show though.

 

[BrokenArrow]

SOS: the SAS wanted new guns, so they came up w reasons to justify it, and tests that back them up.

Just like we did back in 1985 when we wanted a DA hicap 9mm, and then proved the Beretta was better than the SIG and M1911A1 ...

 

[Grayrider]

Get a nicely tuned Hi Power (say Novak) and run it against that stock Sig, then show me the groups.



This one was a let down for certain, but I still enjoy the series.

John

 

[ccmdfd]

Sorry I missed that episode.

So they're saying the SAS went with the SIG over the BHP because of better accuracy and higher rates of fire?

Thanks!

 

[XDKingslayer]

The only thing funny thing that I noticed was the big fat guy saying "You don't want the SAS after you. They'll kill you!".

All I could picture was that fat kid in the cammies and helmet with the "Don't worry sir, I'm from the internet" caption.

 

[Silvanus]

That one?

 

[hans1911]

Yeah, I saw the show too, and was disappointed in the misinformation. At one point in time, they showed a pic of an operator with a 1911 on his hip, and the narrator saying the SAS carried Brownings. While an original John M. Browning design, I don't think that is what they were talking about.

It could have been done better.



hans1911
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