Ohio set to loosen CCW laws

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Now if they would only allow Indiana permits....it's not like we're Illinois, for crying out loud.
 
but it'll definitely be nice to be able to go to Chipotle for lunch without disarming.
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Just don't forget your Chipotle-Way, hehe.

I'm still hoping that Michigan will follow suit and allow CCW in bars and stadiums and what not.
 
This is what happened originally in Ohio. For many years, Ohio did not have a CCW licensing law, or permit concealed weapons, with the exclusion of an "affirmative defense", which is a bass-akwards take on requiring the accused to "make his case" for having a concealed weapon (i.e., valid reason), and then the jury decides if it is valid enough to find him innocent. That law put the burden of proof, and expense, on any one that was caught with a concealed weapon, even if they had been threatened, assaulted, etc. Then, after much prodding by pro-gun forces, and the trend toward violence in our society and the fact that 40 some other states already having CCW laws in place, Ohio lawmakers felt a little left out, and decided it was time to ratify a much kicked around and re-written CCW law. Lawmakers asked for input from the Buckeye Sheriffs Assn, the Ohio State Patrol, Attorney General, etc. The problem was, none of these high falootin' public institutions had any direct experience WITH a CCW law, or its enforcement. They could have contacted other states similar to Ohio, and asked, "Hey, what do you guys do?" But instead, they asked the state patrol, and Ohio ended up with a convoluted "gun must be concealed when anywhere EXCEPT when riding in a vehicle, where upon being stopped by a LE officer, the officer must be able to see the gun in a holster on the person, etc". Now how a CCW carrier was supposed to keep it concealed, then transition to basically open carry in the car, etc, they didn't explain. This created all sorts of problems and "interpretations" by cops, chiefs, staties, etc, and finally the matter of vehicle transport, visible, blah, blah, had to be revised (with a few other things). Some cops were very good at using discretion, others not so much. Now they are addressing the fact that possibly 50% of the places one might frequent in the public for food, etc, have alcohol. As mentioned, many other progressive states have had CCW laws for years, have already sorted this stuff out, and Ohio could have saved a lot of time, money, and retraining of cops, etc, if they had done their homework to begin with. I have policed (now retired), in several different states, and have made it a point to become familiar with the CCW laws in those and several others. Ohio lawmakers had become convinced that many serious problems either would or might occur if they gave the citizens CCW this way or that way, but to date, only a very small percentage of ANY problems has occurred. The results of the brief training and education of Ohio's CCW citizens course has apparently been a success, and the lawmakers concerns unjustified. Now let's see if Ohioans can behave in restaurants serving liquor, as other state citizens already do. I think we'll do o.k. Ohio also wants to have more reciprocity with the other states who have CCW, and several of those states would not give Ohio reciprocity until Ohio sorted out some of the dumb rules and stipulations of the original, poorly researched CCW law. Now that that is being done, we might see several states get on board for reciprocity.
 
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The only reason Ohio doesn't accept the Indiana CC permit is because your state has no training requirement to get the permit. I'll not argue the need for training for every prospective concealed carry permit holder. Some folks have been around guns all their life, or have served in the military and have a basic knowledge of firearms.

When I took my class to get my Ohio permit, the class was about half and half. Half who had experience with firearms, half who carried a brand spanking new pistol, still with factory lubricant shining on them, into the range portion of the training. They had none of the basic skills of handling firearms, of safe operation of firearms, and for sure no knowledge of range safety. I don't think I have had that many guns pointed at me (through the ignorance of basic safety rules) since I was in the Army.

I don't see it as any infringement of second amendment rights to require those who lack the basic skills necessary to safely handle a firearm to take at the minimum a basic pistol course to obtain a concealed carry permit. If only to keep them from shooting themselves while drawing their pistol.
 
Stick,

While we know the reasons, we simply don't agree with them.

We honor your permit and we have allowed bar carry since at least 2000 (maybe prior to; I don't remember seeing it the '98 to '99 Motor Vehicle and Criminal Code Handbook).

It didn't make the news. We sort of just quietly drop stupid laws.

I take off from Indiana, cross Ohio without spending a dime, and fuel up and retrieve my pistol from the Blazer's safe as soon as I cross into Pennsylvania.

Likewise, I will spend money in New Hampshire but not in Massachusetts.

I find the whole thing insulting enough to just not stop in Ohio, unless it's just at a rest stop.

Josh
 
Now let's see if Ohioans can behave in restaurants serving liquor, as other state citizens already do. I think we'll do o.k.
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Also a former LEO here from NE Ohio. For me, the benefit here is that I can now legally go to my favorite restaurants and carry. My wife and I have a favorite steak house with a bar smack dab in the middle of it. I never drink while carrying; however, I do get hungry from time to time. Hope everyone exercises good sound judgment and this change stays in tack.
 
We've been hammering the antis on Cleveland.com. I've yet to see one who could coherently explain why I should be able to carry without drinking at Wendy's, but I can't do the same thing at Chipotle, a block away. Of course quite a few of these dullards seem to think that you can't carry at Burger King...
 
Has the Governor made any public statement about when he intends to sign the bill? I haven't heard anything yet.
 
From what I've read, the governor reportedly plans to sign the legislation.

As an aside, Pennsylvania doesn't recognize Ohio's permit, I have no idea why. But, I am rarely carrying going through there anyway, as the states on the East and North sides don't recognize the permit either.

But I don't boycott them because the head legal officers of our states can't seem to get themselves to together and offer reciprocity to permit holders from Ohio.
 
Is Ohio doing anything to loosen the residency requirements for a permit? IIRC, my friend who is originally from Ohio (now lives in PA) said that you have to have lived in Ohio for something like ten years to get an Ohio CCW permit.
Seems kind of stupid to me - if you can handle a gun safely and have a clean record and are paying taxes there now, why not issue the permit?
 
I grew up in Cleveland, and lived a couple of decades in Ohio. I'm glad to see that at least some of the goofy restrictions on CCW are (potentially) going to be addressed! Our concealed carry laws here in Colorado are much easier to deal with, and far less likely to find you on the receiving end of a felony charge.
 
I don't know where your friend researched the requirements for getting an Ohio CCW, but he's misinformed. Here are the requirements:
Requirements:
1. 21 Years Of Age
2. Ohio residents for 45 days
3. Resident of the issuing county (or an adjacent county) for 30 days
4. Completed Application
5. Color photograph taken within the last 30 days
6. Set of fingerprints
7. Certification of competency with a firearm
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You have to include any addresses you have resided at for the prior 10 years on your application for a permit.
 
Did I misread the law or does it actually allow you to carry in "bars?"
Bar being defined as a place or that part of an establishment that requires you to be 21 or older to legally enter.
 
Has the Governor made any public statement about when he intends to sign the bill? I haven't heard anything yet.
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The legislature hasn't sent the bill to the governor's office yet- hopefully this week.

Did I misread the law or does it actually allow you to carry in "bars?"
Bar being defined as a place or that part of an establishment that requires you to be 21 or older to legally enter.
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Ohio issues "D" permits to serve alcohol. Could be a "bar" or a restaurant that serves drinks/beer, or an open air tent at a festival- no real distinction between them. SB17 allows concealed pistol licensees to carry in any of them.
 
Did I misread the law or does it actually allow you to carry in "bars?"
Bar being defined as a place or that part of an establishment that requires you to be 21 or older to legally enter.
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Yes, this is what it is.

Why, is there a problem?

We've been doing it in Indiana for at least the past 11 years, and there have yet to be any casualties, though I do know of one presentation stopping a very potentially lethal situation when a drunk, rowdy man was asked to leave due to his threatening display of a knife.

Josh
 
According to what I heard, the bill was sent to Kasich's desk on the 15th. He said he'd sign it. I assure you, if his word is no good on this issue, he'll be a one-term governor.

A lot of Buckeye's cast a ballot for him based on his support for gun rights, over the support of Strickland by the Buckeye Firearms Association and the NRA over him. His 2nd amendment support was in question because he had, as a congressman, voted for the 1994 Assault Weapon Ban. He promised he had repented from that stance.

Given the uproar over SB-5, the public employee legislation, he's lost a lot of support in Ohio. There has to be some gun owners in the ranks of public employees in Ohio, and he's probably lost their support (if he ever had it at all) come Election Day 2014. I don't think he can afford to anger other gun owners here.
 
He has until 7/4 to sign or veto. Since he won his election by such a slim margin, I am expecting him to sign the bill.
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At this point, I bet he just lets the 10 day time period expire and let it become law without his signature.
 
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