Ohio: Taft Veto over ridden. 347 is law in 90 days!

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Coronach, sounds like you're talking about Uncle Sam's, downtown. :D Bunchafrigginconartists... I'll have to check them out though, I haven't been there in years. I know their prices on jewelry were nice last time I was there, so it only makes sense they'd try to double their money on firearms. :rolleyes:
 
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As an occasional visitor to OH (the MIL lives near Dayton), with a FL CHL, it's nice to know I won't have to worry about the "in plain view" requirement any more.

Good work, Buckeyes!
 
I want all to know that Linda who posts here is a very important part of the BFA team and you can see her and some of the gang with Jim Aslanides at the Statehouse, here. http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/article3432.html

Linda has written for BFA quite a bit and has been on with Cam Edwards at NRA News. We are lucky to have her. I want to thank her and the rest of our team who deserve a round of applause and a slap on back for their role in this victory.We fought for 347 for a year and a half and it was an uphill battle all that time. Tim

Tim, Thank You!! (blushing modestly) You are very sweet! We have an excellant leadership team and volunteer base at Buckeye Firearms. It truly is a team effort and we all done good!!:p

I was on NRAnews again last night. Fun stuff, expecially when we had the huge victory we had yesterday!!!

Thanks again to ALL who made phone calls, sent faxes, emails etc to your legislators. The grassroots effort is what won this battle!
 
I called my rep, senator and some Democrats that voted for the override and one senator that changed her vote from no to yes, as well as some key other ones, just to say "thanks". Might be nice to call them and say a "thank you" and that they did the right thing, since the antis are probably calling up and complaining.

The car carry is a huge deal, and should stick. You know, however, that the city mayors (who are already complaing) will try to pass new city bans, to then challenge this law at the Supreme Court. Who knows if they will go along with the "home rule" thing or not, and possibly overturn that part of the law. Can't these antis realize how useless these city "assault weapon" bans are?
 
Coronach, sounds like you're talking about Uncle Sam's, downtown. Bunchafrigginconartists... I'll have to check them out though, I haven't been there in years. I know their prices on jewelry were nice last time I was there, so it only makes sense they'd try to double their money on firearms.
Actually, I was. :D Their prices haven't gotten much better. I have yet to walk into a pawn shop in C-bus that had anything worth buying. Besides, most of the stuff in them is smoking hot, if you follow me. Vances is better (their prices very from pretty good to you-gotta-be-kidding-me). Powder Room is better yet, but has a more variable selection.
The car carry is a huge deal, and should stick. You know, however, that the city mayors (who are already complaing) will try to pass new city bans, to then challenge this law at the Supreme Court. Who knows if they will go along with the "home rule" thing or not, and possibly overturn that part of the law.
Yeah, the in-car carry restriction should be gone for good now. That doesn't seem to be something that anyone can challenge under Home Rule. The rest, though? Yeah, not so sure about that.

Anyone an Ohio lawyer who can opine on Home Rule? Henry Bowman? Anyone? Bueller?

Mike
 
The guys that work at Uncle Sam's scare me. I'm afraid maybe one day I'll have to go in the back to look at something, and I might disappear... like, badabing! :D

I've had to keep my mouth shut quite a few times up @ Vance's... but you can't beat thier prices. It's like Wal-Mart for guns.. I hate going there, but most of the time I just can't afford to go elsewhere! :banghead: I like the Powder Room though - it's probably my favorite place. Those guys are great. :) I'm up there shooting whenever I get a chance.

I called my rep, senator and some Democrats that voted for the override... just to say "thanks".

This sounds like a good idea. I might have to make a similar call myself.
 
I spend all day last Friday e-mailing all 33 Ohio Senators and Monday was spent on the phone calling them. I spent over 20 minutes speaking with Senator Kimberly Zurz who voted no in the original Senate session and said she would also vote no to override. Apparently enough e-mails and phone call to her office prompted her to change her vote when it came time to override. Here is an excerpt from her e-mail she sent to me today.


However, Governor Bob Taft vetoed the bill. Despite his opposition, the Senate voted to override his veto on December 12, 2006. Although I voted against the bill during its original passage, I ultimately decided to vote for the override of the Governor's veto. I felt that since House Bill 347 passed through the legislature with such a large margin, I should be respectful of the legislature's decision to pass the bill.

KIMBERLY A. ZURZ
Assistant Minority Leader
Ohio Senator, 28th District
 
Vances has some good prices on some stuff, for sure. They have some cracksmokin' prices on a lot of stuff, though. S&W Model 19s with a lot of hoster wear and some pitting for $400 exist 20' from the rack of police trade-in 870s for $150. I don't get their pricing. I just don't.

Another good place is Aumiller, up in Westervil-

Wait, weren't we talking about something else? Oh yes!

Seriously, a big thank you to Gopguy, Linda, Henry Bowman, BigV, and anyone and everyone else who fought hard for this. They seriously carried our water for us on this one, putting their time and money where their mouths are. As little as three years ago, if anyone had said "by 2007 we will have a good CCW law", they would be laughed out of the state and branded a Michigan fan.

But now? It's a done deal, and it is no small part due to their efforts. So, once again, a big round of applause.

Now. Don't anyone sleep on watch. We need to keep the antis at bay. Rust never sleeps. They'll be back.

Mike
 
Anyone an Ohio lawyer who can opine on Home Rule? Henry Bowman?
I've not yet read the recent Ohio Sup. Ct. decision upholding Cincinnati's AWB on the basis of home rule. In that case, however, there was not a state statute directly preempting all gun laws, only the preemption with respect to CCW.
 
That was sort of my thought as well. The Home Rule article says, basically, that municipalities can craft their own ordinances, so long as they do not conflict with general law. Before, there was no general law saying that local AWBs were invalid, there was an absence of a law saying that AWs were illegal. So, with no general law saying otherwise, local government could step in and do whatever they wanted on the topic. Now that there is a law specifically stating that all local weapons laws are null and void, one would THINK that they should not be able to appeal it based on Home Rule...if they make a law, it will be in conflict with the general law.

IANAL, and all that.

Mike
 
Any mumbles in Ohio newspapers or websites from the opposition yet? Any sign of an attempted challenge?

Great job Ohio! Every state that supports gun rights makes it that much harder for them to restrict rights on a national level.
 
Any mumbles in Ohio newspapers or websites from the opposition yet? Any sign of an attempted challenge?

Local gun laws fall as veto is rejected
Poll suggests move won’t be popular
Wednesday, December 13, 2006
Jim Siegel and Joe Hallett
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
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Local support



Even though most Ohioans consider it a bad idea, the Ohio Senate yesterday joined the House in overriding Gov. Bob Taft’s veto of a concealed-carry law that effectively wipes out Columbus’ assaultweapons ban and about 80 other local gun laws.

Without debate and with vital help from three Democrats, the GOP-controlled Senate voted 21-12 for the override.

The first legislative override in 20 years came on the same day a poll showed that by a 54-35 ratio, Ohio voters consider it a "bad idea" for the state to "have the power to override gun control laws passed by towns and cities."

The statewide Quinnipiac University poll of 1,027 Ohio voters from Dec. 4-10 and released yesterday showed that 35 percent of voters want "more strict" gun laws and 12 percent want "less strict" laws, while 46 percent say Ohio’s are "about right."

"There is a clear consensus that Ohioans don’t want to relax current gun control laws and don’t want to roll back the tougher laws passed by some cities," said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute in Hamden, Conn.

The veto override, he added, "would be in conflict with what Ohio voters want."

Still, the override measure mustered the necessary threefifths vote in each chamber — 20 in the Senate and 60 in the House — to hand a stinging defeat to Taft less than a month before he leaves office.

"We do our best to respond to what the people of Ohio want," Senate President Bill M. Harris, R-Ashland, said.

"But by that same token, I have to run the Senate based on members of the Senate responding to their constituents and not what poll numbers say."

The Ohio House voted 71-21 last week to override, with 14 Democrats joining all but one Republican in attendance supporting the bill.

Bill supporters have argued that because the state issues concealed-carry gun permits, the state should be setting the laws that govern the sale and possession of those guns. They also argue that permit holders cannot be expected to know dozens, if not hundreds of local gun laws as they travel the state.

Taft said he could not support a bill that "exceeds the scope of a concealed-carry corrective bill by pre-empting local gun regulations."

Columbus Mayor Michael B. Coleman had urged lawmakers not to wipe out local gun laws.

"It just shows that once again there is a clear common sense vacuum in that the legislature can’t see the difference between urban crime guns and rural hunting guns," said Coleman spokesman Mike Brown.

Two Senators flipped their votes on the bill.

Sen. Kimberly A. Zurz, D- Green, voted against the bill two weeks ago but yesterday supported an override. She said her vote yesterday was "out of respect for the decision of the legislature," and born of frustration that Taft chose this bill, instead of others in the past, to voice concern about local control.

Meanwhile, Sen. Jeffry Armbruster, R-North Ridgeville, voted for the bill but against the override.

"It didn’t rise to the level of overriding a veto," he said, adding that after reviewing the debate about local gun laws, "quite honestly, we didn’t need to go that far."

All three Franklin County senators voted against the override.

The desire to enact the bill only increased when the Ohio Supreme Court ruled unanimously last week that, under current law, municipalities could enforce their own firearms restrictions.

Justices rejected a bid to throw out Cincinnati’s assaultweapons ban.

This is the first veto override since the legislature overturned the veto of a line item in a budget in 1986, according to Ohio Senate officials.

The Legislative Service Commission said it is the first override of an entire bill since 1977.

Taft spokesman Mark Rickel said the governor was disappointed by the override but that it wasn’t unexpected.

"The governor strongly believes his veto was the right thing to do and that our cities should have the right to protect their citizens through reasonable firearms regulations," Rickel said.

The concealed-carry bill tweaks a number of rules involving concealed handguns, such as no longer requiring permit holders in vehicles to carry guns in a locked container or in plain sight.

Dispatch reporter Mark Niquette contributed to this story.


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I can say that the mandatory attorney fee provision is a "big stick." Tax payers are not going to be happy if their elected representatives have to pay $50,000 in attorney fees over futile attempts to continue enforce worthless local ordinances.
I don't suppose I can get a clarification on this? The wording there is a little confusing.
 
If I understand it correctly. If a city tries to continue to enforce a gun law. I can take them to court and If I win the case they pay my legal fees. Or if I get charged with a local law say a hi-cap ban. If I win the case they pay my legal fees.
 
Most of the opposition in Ohio is based in the urban centers. Rural and small-to-medium town Ohio is generally not anti-gun or in favor of stricter gun control laws. Typical, in other words.
 
Yeah Home rule this home rule that.
I would like them produce some real evidence that any of their local guns laws had any real impact on crime.
 
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