OK bill would allow 18 year olds to ccw

[nicki]

18 year old ccw permits.

The issue of campus shootings is bringing up the concept of students being able to protect themselves, but there are other issues we should consider.

How many of our children, especially our daughters are at high risk of being crime victims and unable to protect themselves.

What is the rate of abuse by 18 to 21 ccw permit holders.

Perhaps we could propose provisional ccw licenses, kind of like provisional driver's licenses.

Juvenile records would have to be considered. Certainly real criminal behavior as a juvenile would be grounds for non issue.

Perhaps convictions for certain offenses would be grounds to automatically bar ccw.

In short, the first generation of 18 year olds would have to be the cream of the crop so to speak.

After a few years, it would be a non issue.

Nicki

 

[eatont9999]

You 18 year olds who can even own a handgun are lucky. I live in MA and you cannot even apply for a permit to posses a handgun until age 21.

I agree with the OK bill. I think if I can die for my country, I should be able to defend myself and drink what I choose.

A reasonable restriction on that law would maybe require said citizen to be a registered voter. You know they will at least want to restrict it somehow and voting is not bad.

 

[kurtmax]

Huh? What does voting have to do with it. If you can own a firearm you should be able to carry it.. without a license even. Criminals will carry anyways, and you could still make it illegal to carry 'during a crime' or something so padding charges vs criminals isn't a good excuse to require licensing.

 

[Nomad101bc]

I say yes because you need a parent to transfer you a firearm any how so its not like you have free reighn. I wish CT would consider this but we are too busy fending off commi's and micro stamping.

 

[BadSpellar]

What will happen with the Oklahoma/Washington reciprocity? Washington currently honors Oklahoma but their law will not honor any state that allows permits for under 21.

Washington’s Firearms and Dangerous Weapons statute (RCW 9.41) was amended in 2004 to allow non-Washington residents to carry concealed weapons in Washington if they have obtained a concealed weapons permit from another state that meets certain conditions imposed by Washington’s reciprocity law, RCW 9.41.073. Those conditions are:

1. The other state must have a reciprocal statute allowing Washington residents to carry concealed weapons in the other state if the resident has a Washington concealed pistol permit; and
2. The other state does not issue concealed pistol licenses to persons under twenty-one years of age; and
3. The state requires mandatory fingerprint-based background checks of criminal and mental health history for all persons who apply for a concealed pistol license.

http://www.atg.wa.gov/page.aspx?ID=2334

 

[Nomad101bc]

sorry but you must be a true born gun nut. heres my opinion restated to clear things up. most 18 year olds will still react like a child when pushed into that corner. if you are military or trained security guard or anything of the similar, go ahead and allow a ccw.for those circumstances but if we had a ccw for 18 here in ct i think people would be gettin shot alot more often.and alot of 18 year old would buy them for thier friends who couldnt own one. I agree it would be nice but so would lowering the drinking age. but if you dont believe that more people would be drunken driving putting inncocent peoples lives at risk then you must be a real drunk.(for the analogies purposes) i am furtherst from democratic i just believe that my BRAIN is more powerful that my affiliated parties political views. CRAZY isnt it. unlinke most i THINK about the issue not weither it would be convient or not. think about the big picture not just your personal ownership of firearms. and sorry to everyone who thinks that noone 18 is going to ever shoot someone with out proper circumstance(threatened with death). your mind/body isnt fully developed untill 21 in men. those 3 years dont matter, there just extra learning right?>

As I said we are too busy fending off commi's to ever get this passed. FYI the loser types wont pass the Concealed Carry process in CT and tend to be the anti gunners. The types you fear substitute guns for weed so I dont think they would be an issue.

Dewage I serve in the military and find your rant insulting and belittling. But its not your fault the commi's got to you first; we just need to re-educate you. We have enough enemies we dont need any "wolfs in sheep's clothing" lurking about unchecked.

 

[budiceman]

Some of those states are a may issue state! We know what that can be like to get a permit at even 40+ years old!

 

[kurtmax]

What will happen with the Oklahoma/Washington reciprocity? Washington currently honors Oklahoma but their law will not honor any state that allows permits for under 21.

Too bad I guess. I wouldn't really worry about whether another state honors your permits..

 

[CZ223]

There is no magic age

at which all children, regardless of their upbringing, are granted the wisdom to act properly and do the right thing at all times in all matters. If there were, there would simply be no need for parents. I have met many 18 year olds that I am perfectly comfortable around while they are in possesion of a gun. I have met many more people in their, 30's,40's and 50's that I am not. Turning 18, 21 or 40 does not automatically instill common sense. Their are lots of 18 year old that will never be ready to carry a gun. Fortunately, most will never try.

Here in Maine a person may aquire a CWP at the age of 18. I have only met one kid under the age of 21 with his CWP. It is my "opinion" that he will never be mature enough for that kind of responsibility. My daughter on the other hand is very mature for her age and has been shooting since she was 5. She has been shooting pistols in Cowboy action Shooting since she was nine. When she turns 18 I will encourage her to get her permit. I am allready shopping for the right gun now. She doesn't even know that everytime I hand her a gun to handle or shoot that she is shopping for her own gun.

So, I don't think that lowering the age to 18 in any state is gonna result in any sort of bloodbath. I really think that all states ought to treat guns like automobiles. There should be some kind of basic safety course that you go through to get your permit and that is it. You shouldn't be able to be denied for any reason other than a criminal record. Just like an automobile license, you screw up bad enough you lose it and maybe your freedom as well. In thinking about it though, if you did regulate guns like automobiles, the insurance companies would find a way to mandate carry insurance.:banghead:

 

[eatont9999]

If you need insurance to excercise your second amendment right, I should have it for my first amendment right. Free speech insurance! Many more people get sued for what they say than what they shoot.

I think a safety course is a good idea for anyone who wants to carry. If it were mandatory for an 18 year old, it would weed out many of the irresponsible ones. If they can vote, carrying is far less dangerous!

As I approach the age of 21, I do not think I am any more responsible than I was at 18. I have more life experience, but that does not make me a better candidate. I had the common sense it takes to carry at age 14.

 

[AntiqueCollector]

sorry but you must be a true born gun nut. heres my opinion restated to clear things up. most 18 year olds will still react like a child when pushed into that corner. if you are military or trained security guard or anything of the similar, go ahead and allow a ccw.for those circumstances but if we had a ccw for 18 here in ct i think people would be gettin shot alot more often.

It's 16 to carry without parental consent in VT and it hasn't caused a problem...

 

[dewage83]

Dewage I serve in the military and find your rant insulting and belittling. But its not your fault the commi's got to you first; we just need to re-educate you. We have enough enemies we dont need any "wolfs in sheep's clothing" lurking about unchecked.

listen im sorry i offended you but if i offended you because of my liberal views then i retract my previos statement. i have to right to feel a certin way on any topic and here's where to voice them. i in no means meant to offend anyone but i truely believe this wouldnt be better for society. ok no more responses on this but im just amazed at how many people agree with giving 18 yr.olds pistols. It is my belief that if you do want guns at 18 go to the army they'll love you

 

[eatont9999]

I looked into a military career, but I would have been assigned a desk job due to my bad back and knee problems. I don't have that option and I have almost another year until I can even posses a handgun.

 

[Gunnerpalace]

eatont9999 same thing here,(reasons we cant go in the army)

if you do want guns at 18 go to the army

You know I have heard that several times before,

I think if anything the federal pistol age should be dropped to 18, now before something gets out of hand as always I am in NO WAY a die hard gunnie.

 

[savetheclaypigeons]

I just turned 21 and am torn on the issue. Looking back clearly I've matured and learned much more but honestly think at 18 I would have probably been responsible to carry. Thinking back to my high school classes though I'd be very scared to see many of the other students being able to carry. Perhaps after a day of training and lecture they would have learned the does and don'ts and be able to carry with maturity but I saw some nasty hormonal rages at that age over petty things. Tough call. Looking at it now I am glad that I didn't carry then. Good chance I could have made a mistake and taken an innocent life. I was safe and took care not to be a victim but I wasn't ready to decide when to take a life or get out of a situation. Again though, who knows what a days worth of classes would have done for me.

 

[Ske1etor]

sorry but you must be a true born gun nut. Yep, sure am.heres my opinion restated to clear things up. most 18 year olds will still react like a child when pushed into that corner.How can you say that? Do you know "Most" 18 year olds? if you are military or trained security guard or anything of the similar, go ahead and allow a ccw.for those circumstances but if we had a ccw for 18 here in ct i think people would be gettin shot alot more often.and alot of 18 year old would buy them for thier friends who couldnt own one.Sounds like a preventative to a problem that doesn't exist I agree it would be nice but so would lowering the drinking age. If an 18 year old can be viewed as an adult in a court of law why not allow them all the things that an "Adult" is allowed?but if you dont believe that more people would be drunken driving putting inncocent peoples lives at risk then you must be a real drunk.(for the analogies purposes) i am furtherst from democratic i just believe that my BRAIN is more powerful that my affiliated parties political views. CRAZY isnt it. unlinke most i THINK about the issue not weither it would be convient or not. Convenient for who? The 18 year old who is just as susceptible to an armed robbery as the 40 year old walking next to him?think about the big picture not just your personal ownership of firearms. This has nothing to do with my personal agenda. I am 24.and sorry to everyone who thinks that noone 18 is going to ever shoot someone with out proper circumstance(threatened with death). That happens with men twice that age. Why should we limit our young adults in this country because of this "18" year old hype built by the media?your mind/body isnt fully developed untill 21 in men. those 3 years dont matter, there just extra learning right?>That is an honestly ignorant statement. Maybe YOUR mind wasn't fully developed by 18. To say that a man cannot be trusted with a firearm at 18 is ridiculous.

Let them join the military, charge them as adults in a court of law, give them drivers licenses at 16 but by GOD, don't let them protect themselves against criminals!

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Last time I checked all of the other amendments were granted to a person the day they turned 18. Why not this one?

Gunnerpalace, why would you put "I am in no way a die hard gunnie" in your post? Is that something to be ashamed of? Is that something that you do not want to be labeled as? If you are a firearm owner you should consider yourself a "Die Hard" unless you don't mind if the government takes your firearms away. I consider myself a gun guy, I like guns. I enjoy shooting sports and hunting and just tinkering with my firearms. I don't consider myself a radical but I am very pro-gun. I am also pro-constitution.

 

[Crow1108]

+1 Ske1etor

Just another wrinkle for the naysayers: When I was 18 years old, as a member of the USAF, I was entrusted with maintaining multi-million dollar weapons systems, was responsible for traveling to my first duty station, overseas, by myself, voted, represented the US while overseas, followed procedures for dealing with high voltage and RF, followed procedures for dealing with hazardous chemicals, and followed technical data that if I didn't follow could possibly result in the loss of an aircraft, and maybe even a pilot. Most of which if I hadn't done, or hadn't done right, then I would be typing this to you guys from Leavenworth, while taking a break from turning boulders into pea-gravel.

I know some of my responsibility is a direct result of my training, but I think some of it goes deeper than that. Most of it comes from how I was raised. I grew up with a healthy respect for firearms. My Dad taught me to shoot when I was 4. I shot his handguns when I was 6 or 7 (which weren't .22s, but 9mms).

Alot of this is why I wish there was some quantitative test to a person's maturity level. You can show me all the statistics in the world about what people between the ages of 18-25 do or don't do, but sense of responsibility factors in more than age.

 

[AntiqueCollector]

ok no more responses on this but im just amazed at how many people agree with giving 18 yr.olds pistols.

It's already legal for an 18 yo to own a handgun, even under federal law, they just can't buy them from a dealer. I had handguns before I was 21, I had no difficulty in getting them, and under state law I could have carried a handgun at age 16 without any license or anything. Your "join the military" if wanting guns comment smacks of the arguments made by many antis.

 

[Gunnerpalace]

Is that something to be ashamed of

Listening to some people I almost think that, but it should be noted there are some people with some pretty extreme ideas out there which I happen to not agree with. And I thought I should identify myself somewhat.

 

[RLsnow]

I was of the impression you could Open carry and/or conceal carry in Vermont when you were 16

I want to move to the US and Vermont, taxes be damned!

 

[dewage83]

skeltor were you ever 18 did you ever break the laws and do **** you werent suposed to do just because??? you MUST have been an honors/National honor society member right? i think its messed up you picked apart my OPINION!!! because you dont agree with it. you are proud to be a gun nut and are prolly going to be part of "the day the zombies come" right? im so glad all gun enthusiasts arnt NUTS. i sir believe you are why there are so many people that DO get these Stupid gun regulations passed.

 

[Zoogster]

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[Ske1etor]

skeltor were you ever 18 did you ever break the laws and do **** you werent suposed to do just because???No, Never been in trouble with the law. Well, except for smacking a kid in the back of the head for touching my sister when she told him to stop twice.(I was 16 at the time and the kid deserved it. you MUST have been an honors/National honor society member right?Nope, just a regular high school kid. i think its messed up you picked apart my OPINION!!!I wasn't picking apart your opinion, I was stating my rebuttal. because you dont agree with it. you are proud to be a gun nutYes, I am proud that I am a firearm enthusiast and that I stand up for what I believe in. You call me a gun nut. I call myself an AMERICAN! and are prolly going to be part of "the day the zombies come" right?Not really, Can't I just enjoy shooting my firearms? im so glad all gun enthusiasts arnt NUTS. i sir believe you are why there are so many people that DO get these Stupid gun regulations passed.I am the reason? I am the one going out and shooting people? I am the one having Negligent discharges and allowing my nephews and nieces to play with my firearms? That is ridiculous. You are free to have your opinions and nobody is challenging that but do not get all upset when I state my opinion. You don't have to return with an argument inducing post. We are adults here.

 

[another okie]

The bill is dead, so you guys can go clean your guns.

 

[Andrewsky]

You can't just CC wherever you want in Vermont if you're 16 because there is a Federal Law that is really really strict about carry for those 18 and under.