OK, so I am a pig headed idiot. But my elk sure is tasty!

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So As most of you guys know I've been down and out with some rather serious spine problems. I've been sitting around the house and going to doctors appointments for over a month. Two weeks ago I went in and had some minor procedures done to try and relieve the pressure on the nerves that exit my neck and into the left side of my body.

The procedures were a partial success. The pain is reduced by 80% but the part that didn't come back was the feeling in my left hand. It is numb. So anyway the day before 4th combined elk season started I had an appointment with the nuro guy. he said "you need to take it easy don't exert yourself."

WHAT does he know anyway?:D

So that afternoon I loaded the camper grabbed ole faithful (my trusty .375H&H) and headed for the hills with Tim my hunting buddy. We got into camp at about 20:30 set up gulped down a brewski and some nachos and hit the sack.

The next morning before dark we hit the road headed for one of my favorite elk meadows. The road to get to the area I like to hunt is a steep, winding, snow packed, death ride so before we got into the really nasty stuff we pulled over to put the tire chains on.

This is one minute into legal shooting light. I open my door and across the road in the sage brush flat about 70 elk stand up. I slip ole trusty out of the front seat slowly amble across the road walk my mandatory distance off the road. By now the elk are getting nervous and starting to amble off. I slid a round into the chamber line up on a big cow and gently squeeze the trigger. I hear the loudest sound in hunting "CLICK". The bolt hadn't picked up a round! Not only that but I caught myself dunking the muzzle when I inadvertently dry fired the rifle. I was in the full fury and control of buck fever.

I calmly, with shaking hands and ragged breath;) jacked in a round. believe it or not my big cow is still standing there looking back at me with an expression that was kind of like "hey lookie there, an amateur with a rifle I wonder if he can pull this off?"

I now forced myself to calm down and think about the shot. The second time I pulled the trigger that boom thing happened shattering the cold morning silence. I lost the cow in recoil and muzzle flash. The herd thundered and up the steep hill into the timber and out of sight.

I stood there in disbelief. I had missed a standing elk at less than 100 yards. I started to mentally scold myself for losing my cool and dejectedly started to the spot where I shot at the cow to look for blood. About the time I am getting close to the area where she was standing I am convinced that I've missed one of the easiest shots of my life. I'm feeling pretty ashamed. I stand looking around for a sign in the now all encompassing silence. the only noise I hear is the faint ringing in my ears from the violent blast of the shot.

Then in the still gloomy dark of the frigid morning I see thin tendril steam rising above a large thicket of sage. I take one more step and see one of the most beautiful sights a hunter ever witnesses. A tawny back laying in the snow a very big very dead cow elk.

The bullet had taken her through the back of the ribs angled up and exited just behind the off shoulder just nicking the spine and dropping her instantly out of my view, falling behind a sage brush that was about 3 feet tall completely hiding the prostrate elk.

I let the moment sink in and standing in grateful silence and watch the sun rising over the snow covered Rockies, the forest starts to come to life. I slowly take out my knife and begin the age old process of making this beautiful majestic animal into the finest trophy one could ask for. Delicious healthy meat that will feed my family for the winter to come.

This elk was a gift. No two ways about it. I didn't think that I could still get so excited by a cow elk. I was like a 15 year old kid out for the first time. Just goes to show you that no matter how long you've been doing this. It is still one of the most exciting gratifying activities known to man.:D


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P.S.

The picture looks much darker than it was outside due to the flash.
 
Nice shot.

I'll bet the "click" was more deafening than the report of your rifle....;)

What type of cuts are your favorite when you process an elk?

What load were you using - Factory - Handloads?

Thanks for the pic.

12-34hom.
 
12-34hom said:
I'll bet the "click" was more deafening than the report of your rifle....;)

What type of cuts are your favorite when you process an elk?

What load were you using - Factory - Handloads?

Thanks for the pic.

12-34hom.


12-34,

My favorite cut are the inside tenderloins. Next is the back strap cut into 1" thick butterfly steaks. I cut the hind quarters into sirloins and round steaks. the front shoulders and ribs are deboned and ground into burger and sausage. The neck is cut into stew meat.

I hand load for everything I shoot. My pet load in the .375H&H is a 270gr B
Barnes TSX @ 2700 FPS. This load duplicates the trajectory of a 180gr .30-06 zeroed at 200 yards it is 7" low at 300 and 26" low at 400 yards while still carrying well over a ton of energy.

The ole H&H does very little meat damage due to it's moderate velocity. Yet it carries knock down punch way beyond any range you have any business shooting. I've seen .243's do more meat destruction and bruising than the ole H&H ever thought about it is just a great round. And the same can be said for the .338 Win which I consider the American equivalent to the H&H.

Here are some pictures.

The entrance wound from my elk this year.

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And the exit wound.

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Notice the tiny amount of blood shot meat.
 
That flash on the white snow makes the camera over-expose the foreground and turn the dim morning-lit background almost black, making me think for a second: "Uh-oh! Those docs have got Greg night-huntin', now!" :D Truth is, I've probably got several pics of me with deer that I've shot in the same (legal) light, but down here we don't have the snow in the foreground to throw off that piddly little camera's "brain."

Greg, that's a beaut cow, and I'm deep green, looking at her.

Nice not to have to pack her far, too, eh? :)

You know, that buck fever thing-- it's odd when it'll pop up. A fellow admitted to it over at TFL, and I noted that, if we didn't get a bit excited over the sport, what was the point?

My father, some years ago, realized that it was very cold one December morn, and carefully layered up his heavy clothing to meet the weather while deer hunting. Hiking out to his sit, he had to ventilate to keep from overheating. After he got to his sit, he watched a small buck pick its way toward him. Dad got in a good rest and considered through his scope whether the buck was worth spending his tag on. Presently, he noticed that he seemed to be really in the clutches of the worst case of buck fever he'd had in 30 years! What the heck?!? Over this little buck? Then he remembered to zip up his coat and pull in his scarf, and the shaking and shivering and short breath went away. :) Not buck fever; just cold!
 
Finally! A hunter who posts pics of terminal effects! Thanks, Greg!

You think of 2700 as moderate, eh? Welllll, I s'pose. :) I was kinda patting myself on the back for sticking with the 2400 and 2500 fps loadings with my Whelen (225 or 250g), thinking of those as "moderate velocities," for the same reason.

Interesting that you compare the .338 WM with the .375 H&H-- I wouldn't have made that connection, what with the differences in SD's and weights. I know that the .338 is a hugely popular CO elk round, but do you run into many other .375 H&H hunters (uh, not named Greg) in the elk meadows and among the aspens.
 
Not pig-headed just elk-determined- I mean there is a difference and all. :p

Sir, Continued thoughts to you and yours as you deal with your health problems and overcome them.

Congrats on your Cow, appreciate your sharing as always.

Gotta ask...Where is Nitro? Yeah I know he is supposed to be a "hawg dawg". Still...I mean he know the difference in a Elk and Hawg at this stage?

I bet he is under your hat - huh? :p

"Daddy, get me out of this white stuff...and I ain't going inside your shirt again either..." :eek:

Regards,

Steve
 
excellent work! though reading, the thing that kept sticking in my head was "he's going to dress that thing with a kinfe in one hand and no feeling in the other :uhoh:" but it seems you came out two thumbs up... as it were.

now take a steak to each of your doctors and do what they say this time, so you can do it all again next year :p
 
I really wish you folks with nearby elk or that live in Colorado would cease posting pics and stories of your expoitsl Besides the fact that I'm endlessly jealous of both you elk and your local, at this point in time I am even more envious of that white fluffy stuff the elk is laying on.

Being in the middle of a severe dought even makes me wish for snow...and that is almost insane.

Anybody care to invite me up for a 1" butterflyed backstrap?

Smoke
 
Matt G said:
Finally! A hunter who posts pics of terminal effects! Thanks, Greg!

You think of 2700 as moderate, eh? Welllll, I s'pose. :) I was kinda patting myself on the back for sticking with the 2400 and 2500 fps loadings with my Whelen (225 or 250g), thinking of those as "moderate velocities," for the same reason.

Interesting that you compare the .338 WM with the .375 H&H-- I wouldn't have made that connection, what with the differences in SD's and weights. I know that the .338 is a hugely popular CO elk round, but do you run into many other .375 H&H hunters (uh, not named Greg) in the elk meadows and among the aspens.

Matt,

I've found that if you keep your speeds at or below 2800 you suffer far less meat damage than if you push higher than that. So "I" consider anything from about 2200 to 2700 to be moderate. Not a correct scientific statement just my way of thinking.;)

Both the .338 and the .375 push a bullet of about the same sectional density at about the same speed. Both have about the same trajectory both put out ABOUT 4000 ftlbs at the muzzle. The .375 has a slight edge over the .338 as a stopping round at close range the .338 has a slight advantage over the .375 at long range. But by golly they both do about the same thing and I can't tell ANY difference in killing power.

But to answer your question about .375 users in CO. No they are not to be found around every Aspen. I have noticed however that my local Big-R hardware store does stock .375H&H ammo and I've seen it at the local Wal-Mart as well. So that does tell you that they are about. Of course my buddys Ashley and Tim both carry one. But I guess that doesn't really count.:D

Every once in a while I get the "I can't believe you hunt elk with an elephant gun" comment. Well yeah you have a point but it's no more an elephant gun than a .338 when you really look at it. If I wasn't a hopeless gun geek and didn't have this weird pension for old English calibers that are DG capable my elk gun would be a .338 win no doubt about it.
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excellent work! though reading, the thing that kept sticking in my head was "he's going to dress that thing with a kinfe in one hand and no feeling in the other " but it seems you came out two thumbs up... as it were.

Pauli,

I do have to admitt that I just about whacked the end of my numb thumb off. Guess what? It does have SOME feeling in it!:uhoh: Anyway I was able to get the bleeding stopped with some minor pressure and a good old band aide.;)

About an hour later..........


SM,

Nitro was safe and warm and staying with momma. Next year the little rascle won't be so lucky.

By the way he is a natural blood trailer and has followed three progressivly longer trails so far. Pretty neat to watch the pure instincts of a 11 week old puppy as he starts to pull on his harness and run a trail all on his own.:D :D He's showing some promise!

Smoke,

You bet bud get this way and we'll have some steaks! The really good news is that I still have one cow tag left for the late winter season Dec-1thru31. Maybe with some luck and good health maybe there is one more fat cow in my near future. We can always use the meat.
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Sorry Smoke I couldn't resist.;)
 
Excellent elk Greg! Not as big as the cow I shot though. :neener:

Just had some stew with the meat from my cow tonight. My (19 m.o) daughter especially loved it. I can hardly wait to put in for next year.
 
sumpnz said:
Excellent elk Greg! Not as big as the cow I shot though. :neener:

I don't know about that, mine scores # 3 in the B&C book (Bufoon & Crockofit) book.;)

Nice! And your pics of the wounds surprised me. My 25-06 does more damage!

Larry,

What bullet do you use in that 1/4 bore? I used to shoot a .257 Weatherby and found the 120gr Nosler to be a thumper.
 
I've been directed to include the details of Tim's elk.

I almost forgot. Tim got his elk the second morning. he wanted me to post the details.

Here goes in a nut shell.

Tim, after bumbling along for a whole day missed several opportunities and blew two easy stalks due to shear ignorance and incompetence. He couldn't spot an elk without the guidance, patience, and vast experience of his hunting buddy and even if he could wouldn't know how to deal with it anyway.

Finally on the second morning a cow, brain damaged and crippled, but a cow none the less stopped on a hill side no more than 15 yards away and myopically stared back at the heaving out of breath figure in an orange jacket.

After firing all his ammo and never cutting a hair Tim had to run back to the truck for more ammo. The elk tried to follow him thinking he had treats in the truck and was run over by an 18 wheeler because she wasn't smart enough to look both ways before crossing the street.

Tim was proud to tag this elk as it was the toughest hunt he's ever tagged out on.

I hope that is a fairly accurate description of your hunt Tim. That's the way I remembered it anyway.
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As you can see from the picture we had to drag the elk up about 1000' vertical from the road to get a proper hero shot.;)
 
What bullet do you use in that 1/4 bore?
I've used both 100 gr Nosler Ballistic tips at 3300 fps, and Winchester premium 120 gr factory loads. I do have some 120 gr Partitions I loaded a few years back, but never tried on game. Next pronghorn hunt I'll take those out.

The 100 gr Ballistic Tip is supposed to be for game, not varmints, but it is pretty explosive (gutted a coyote at 500 yards). I've killed two pronghorns with it, but they were a neck and head shot. I'm afraid it might make a real mess with a more solid hit, so I will be using that load for coyotes only from now on.

The Winchester factory loads worked fine, but I no longer hunt with factory loads.
 
The elk tried to follow him thinking he had treats in the truck and was run over by an 18 wheeler because she wasn't smart enough to look both ways before crossing the street.

Six days on the road and I'm gonna get my cow tonight...<apologies to John Prine

H&H, Good grief man, you do better with details than this! Jimmy, White or Peterbilt? Details man...details! How are folks supposed to get into 'Rig Wars', and "Which Rig for Elk?". :D

Seriously- I am grateful and thankful you made this hunt and shared with us all.
Great Pictures conveying what this hunting is all about. Hope you are fine and did not stress your spine.

Wheez , Whine, and Pine
Taking the backroads so's
I can take that elk of mine
<Sorry John Prine...it seemed right>
 
I'd just like to say no matter the brand of big rig used it should always be a CRF big rig and not a push feed rig. I also do not recomend the cab over unless it is equiped with a sleeper.

These elk are tough and really shouldn't be run down with just any old 18 wheeler. Peterbuilt is a good starting point. I'd stay away from them "Euro" trash Volvos as they lack sectional density.

;)

I hope that helps clear things up.:evil:
 
375 loads

Which bullets did you shoot in your 375 before the TSX's came out? I have gotten good results with the 250 XFB's but they are sadly discontinued. I shoot the triple shocks in everything else I own. Terminal performance is great, and, as you have shown, a guy can eat right up to the hole. Wish I lived in Colorado.....
 
WHITEY338 said:
Which bullets did you shoot in your 375 before the TSX's came out? I have gotten good results with the 250 XFB's but they are sadly discontinued. I shoot the triple shocks in everything else I own. Terminal performance is great, and, as you have shown, a guy can eat right up to the hole. Wish I lived in Colorado.....


Whitey.

I used to shoot the 270gr XFB. they are a fine bullet as well.



Thanks Rob

And a happy thanksgiving to you as well.
 
I'd just like to say no matter the brand of big rig used it should always be a CRF big rig and not a push feed rig.

Yep, gotta agree! Hence the reason right partial to Model 70 in '06 myself. Granted Elk are now coming back/ re-introduced here and have no idea if I will hunt one here...my bigger critter hunting has been curtailed.

Now 'plainin' to Peterbilt you need a CRF installed..."What is that??"
CRF = Cow Retaining Front :evil:

Hey, I don't recall seeing cow catchers on trains in years around here either...
 
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