I have been reloading for the 45 ACP with 4.1 grains of Bullseye with a 230 grain plated rainier bullet. I had planned to use my reloads in a glock 21 until I was told the glock does not provide adequate case support and I could be risking a damaged gun. Any opinions on using reloads for the 21?
OK to shoot reloads in Glock 21?
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Ch4rg3rF4n
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Most of the horror stories i have "heard" are with the .40 S&W Glocks....
I'm sure someone will chime in soon.....
I'm sure someone will chime in soon.....
Seriously though. From what I've read, the 45 is the easiest/safest round to reload. Low pressure round, etc. It's probably the safest caliber to use in a non-fully supported chamber I would think. Never used Bullseye, so don't know where your at on the chart. Start low and work up, check your cases at the bottom for any bulging as you go. The 40 Glock definitely would be worse, pressure wise, but I'm sure lots of people reload for it.
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If you are too worried to try it, I believe you can purchase a barrel for it which does have a fully supported chamber for relatively cheap (~$80-100).
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4.1 grains of bullseye is a little on the light side. make sure it cycles the action reliably. I use 4.6 grains of bullseye in my 5" kimber and get about 850 fps at 10 feet or was it closer to 900? i forget. either way, 4.1 is light...i wouldn't be surprised if it fails to chamber the next round
I'm an idiot, i'm using 185 grainers....you're not. disregard
I'm an idiot, i'm using 185 grainers....you're not. disregard
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BTW I forgot to put it into my other post but .... if its the bulge Glock bulge you worry about- the undersized EGW dies might help you....
http://egw-guns.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=40
I just got one for my 40 S&W brass but have yet to find the time to try it...
I hear it works.....again, maybe the experienced guys here have used it and they can chime in..Good Luck
http://egw-guns.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=40
I just got one for my 40 S&W brass but have yet to find the time to try it...
I hear it works.....again, maybe the experienced guys here have used it and they can chime in..Good Luck
BsChoy
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I use 4.5 grains of red dot with 0 malfunctions and good practice accuracy...this is with 230 fmj ranier's
GLOCK45GUY
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I load 4.8 gns Bulleye w/ 230 Rainier RN, which feels/shoot good through my G30 and Sistema 1911.
I started with 3.9grns and the cases seemed to "dribble" out of the Glock, landing between your feet. 4.8grns is the best for me.
I started with 3.9grns and the cases seemed to "dribble" out of the Glock, landing between your feet. 4.8grns is the best for me.
rcmodel
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Your load is a very light one for .45 ACP.
And the .45 ACP is already a low-pressure round in the grand scheme of things.
They should be perfectly safe in your Glock.
I have shot factory equivalent .40 S&W reloads, including hard-cast lead, in my stock barrel Glock 23 for over 12 years now.
(Using standard reloading dies too I might add.)
I still have my gun & all my fingers.
I certainly would not worry at all about any sane load in a .45 ACP Glock.
rcmodel
And the .45 ACP is already a low-pressure round in the grand scheme of things.
They should be perfectly safe in your Glock.
I have shot factory equivalent .40 S&W reloads, including hard-cast lead, in my stock barrel Glock 23 for over 12 years now.
(Using standard reloading dies too I might add.)
I still have my gun & all my fingers.
I certainly would not worry at all about any sane load in a .45 ACP Glock.
rcmodel
I happen to know a guy who had a 45acp let go in a new Glock - first time at the range with it. Got some cuts on his right hand. My buddy who was there at the time said the look on the guys face was priceless - it was the perfect picture of *** just happened? (BTW, both guys are engineers with many years of experience reloading and shooting, it was a middle range load, not a double, and the brass was new Starline). Last time I mentioned it the Glock people came down on me like a ton of bricks about how it couldn't possible have been a fault of the gun and was obviously an overcharge. OK. I happen to know another guy (engineer) who did an analysis of the Glock design and figured out what was happening, but I'm not sure where that has gone.
Years ago I worked with a guy who had a number of Glocks (9mm, 40SW, 45acp - and I think 10mm) that he reloaded for. He moved away, but back then he was probably putting a 500-1000 rounds a month through each of them, and I never heard of him having any issues.
If I had one (I expect I will at some point in time), I'd reload for it (after making sure it didn't exhibit any telltale signs of trouble). You decide.
Years ago I worked with a guy who had a number of Glocks (9mm, 40SW, 45acp - and I think 10mm) that he reloaded for. He moved away, but back then he was probably putting a 500-1000 rounds a month through each of them, and I never heard of him having any issues.
If I had one (I expect I will at some point in time), I'd reload for it (after making sure it didn't exhibit any telltale signs of trouble). You decide.
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I reload for my G19, G21, G23, G30, G34 (9mm, 40 S&W, .45 ACP) using different bullet configurations and weight (FMJ, Copper Plated, HARDcast). I usually use W231 powder for all of them and I use medium high powder charges (minus 10 to 15 percent of the max load for the given caliber). NEVER had any issues with any of my Glock pistols.
My first Glock was the G23 (first time they came out in the 80's), a 40 S&W, fed it 95% CAREFULLY assembled reloads and 5 % factory loads. Never had a problem.
So, I believe, the secret is feeding them with sane and carefully assembled rounds.
My experience, so I'm sharing what I went through.
Ninja45
My first Glock was the G23 (first time they came out in the 80's), a 40 S&W, fed it 95% CAREFULLY assembled reloads and 5 % factory loads. Never had a problem.
So, I believe, the secret is feeding them with sane and carefully assembled rounds.
My experience, so I'm sharing what I went through.
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I load for my Glock 21 with Rainier 230-gr round nose or 230-grain hardcast lead round nose, with 4.7 gr of Titegroup. No problems yet with lead or plated.
Blackfork
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Just don't double charge the powder and you will be fine.
or triple charge. Every glock I ever shot ate anything you put in it.
or triple charge. Every glock I ever shot ate anything you put in it.
The short story on Glocks is basically because of the type of rifling they chose to use you must make absolutely sure to keep the barrel clean and totally free of lead or jacketing buildup. They do not tolerate much fouling before the pressures go up at which time the exposed brass hanging over the feed ramp will fail. I'm not bashing Glocks here, the early .38 super IPSC guys learned this when they first starting pushing the envelope. Bottom line, if you're going to run a Glock be extra careful cleaning and inspecting that barrel.
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I understand the 40 cal is the one with the problem because of the leading BUT if hard lead is used and you keep it clean it is alright.I use 3.6 of 700x in my 1911 with amt long slide.bullseye would be same.drops cases at the side.all my 1911s shoot that load.its good to 50 yrds.
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I understand the 40 cal is the one with the problem because of the leading BUT if hard lead is used and you keep it clean it is alright.I use 3.6 of 700x in my 1911 with amt long slide.bullseye would be same.drops cases at the side.all my 1911s shoot that load.its good to 50 yrds.
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Master Blaster
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Anyone who disses GLOCKS is just jealous.
They are tough reliable, accurate, as good or better than any make or model of handgun in existance for their designed purpose. They are much less likely to jam, break or explode, than any other handgun. I say this as a person who owns 7 1911 pistols,and two Glocks among many others.
I have a G34 and carry a G26, I only shoot reloads from mine, they are both 9mm's which dont seem to make the Kaboom list like the .40 does. Mine like Hornady xtps or remington JHPs and a full power charge of Unique. The G34 is my favorite 9mm handgun, I shoot it better than my highpower, my sig p226, and it shoots circles around my Beretta despite the Glock trigger.
Most Kabooms are caused either by a double charge (even in factory ammo its possible) or bullet setback.
Its pretty hard to double charge a 9mm, .45 acp is easier , so use a case filling powder and pay close attention to your reloading.
They are tough reliable, accurate, as good or better than any make or model of handgun in existance for their designed purpose. They are much less likely to jam, break or explode, than any other handgun. I say this as a person who owns 7 1911 pistols,and two Glocks among many others.
I have a G34 and carry a G26, I only shoot reloads from mine, they are both 9mm's which dont seem to make the Kaboom list like the .40 does. Mine like Hornady xtps or remington JHPs and a full power charge of Unique. The G34 is my favorite 9mm handgun, I shoot it better than my highpower, my sig p226, and it shoots circles around my Beretta despite the Glock trigger.
Most Kabooms are caused either by a double charge (even in factory ammo its possible) or bullet setback.
Its pretty hard to double charge a 9mm, .45 acp is easier , so use a case filling powder and pay close attention to your reloading.
Tarvis
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5 gr of bullseye and 5.4 gr of red dot and a 230 gr bluuet are about 850 fps or something close in a 5in bbl. This is not a max load and is actually what I load for practical pistol and purrs like a kitten. Use brass in good shape and you'll not have too many problems.
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