Old Colt/Kart barrel Project

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I picked up a rough but functional '42 Colt a couple weeks back, and decided to turn it into a project for pseudo restoration. Pseudo because it had a gaggle of parts from several USGI contractors, and like I said...it was pretty rough. I could always use another beater.

The slide-to-frame slop wasn't too bad, considering how the gun looked...
so I decided to forego welding and refitting, and opted for swaging. I brought the rails down about .005 inch to remove the vertical play, and since the sideplay was actually pretty good...I decided to squeeze the slide a bit.

Always dreading the malevolent "tink" that looms over every rebuilder...If you squeeze enough of'em, you'll eventually hear it...and because the slide was in very good shape mechanically speaking...I baked it at 200 degrees for an hour before proceeding. ( I REALLY didn't wanna hear it go "tink")

Squeezing just a tiny bit tightened it up nicely, and it required only a little lapping compound and some elbow grease for a smooth, wiggle-free fit to the frame after truing up the frame rails with the files.

Then came the moment that I've been planning for awhile...The Kart E-Z Fit barrel was waiting. I tossed it around and decided to use the old Colt
for the "Kart Trial" instead of going with a full hard-fit. I was curious and had to see what it was all about.

I was initially impressed with the obvious quality of the barrel as it came out of the wrapper. Nicely done, Fred! The chamber was a bit tighter
than I like, with just a tiny bit of taper toward the stop shoulder. Not a big deal, since the finishing reamer would clean it up.

I read the instructions and tossed'em into the can. Not because I didn't feel that I needed to follow the directions, but because the system works with fitting the hood so as to address the #1 lug only in horizontal lockup...
and I like to have at least two lugs bearing in the horizontal plane....so I
cut the fitting pads down just far enough to allow access to the load-bearing frace of the #1 lug, and fitted to the #2 lug by facing #1 back until #2 began to make contact. My gauge suggested that facing back on #2 in hopes of picking up #3 probably wouldn't work out as hoped...so I stopped and decided to go with what I had, and turned my attention to the hood.

I cut the hood until the barrel would press into the slide with light pressure
and returned to the two patented pads in the lug slot. This was where it got tedious, as I wanted a tight vertical lockup, so it was a "One Stroke and Try" exercise. The hood width provided ample side clearance, so no fitting was required there. As it turns out, there's about .004 inch per side,
which is pretty good.

By the time I got the vertical lockup I wanted, the Patented Pads were nearly flush with the slot. This was in part due to swaging the rails down .005 inch, and it worked out nicely with .051 inch of vertical engagement.
I actually had to take a light cut in the #2 slot...maybe .003 inch...to get the barrel to lock smoothly. At this point, I checked the firing pin strike.
It was very nearly dead-center with the original, worn slidestop in the gun.
I fished around and found a new old stock Remington Rand grooved stop
with a .199 diameter pin and tried it. The tight vertical lock returned, so I took another swipe at the fitting pads until the barrel went into battery smoothly and without binding. When I rechecked the firing pin strike, it was centered, and I now had a bit more vertical engagement on the lugs...about .001 inch shy of full depth. Nice!

Back to the hood...I like to see about .003 inch clearance between the hood and breechface in non Match-Grade pistols...but I opted to remove just enough material to get rid of the press-fit. When I dropped a GO gauge into the chamber, it sat dead flush with the face of the hood, and when I checked the gauge with the barrel in the slide, there was zero clearance betwen the rear of the gauge and the breechface. In other words...After fitting the lugs for horizontal engagement, the headspace was dead on SAAMI minimum specs...and actually just a bit tighter. Going strictly by the feel of the GO gauge going into battery, I'd say that the headspace was .897 inch...

I cleaned up the taper in the chamber with the finishing reamer, and rechecked the headspace. Perfect! I was rightly impressed by the close tolerances that kart had held on this particular barrel...and at how well it all came together. Whether or not it would happen again is a matter of conjecture. It did this time, and I was pleased with the results. I decided to go ahead and dress the face of the hood for light contact and stop.

Finally, the barrel bushing had to be fitted to the slide...and even that part went smoothly, and required only lapping compound to fit.

Barrel to slide clearance in linkdown was too tight for comfort...MY comfort anyway,
so i removed a little material from the frame bridge and from the bottom
radius of the barrel behind the lower lug to get a little more. Again...probably due to lowering the rails. When the rails go down, they bring the slide and barrel down a like amount...so I had to compensate.
As it worked out, the barrel is being stopped by the link just slightly in compression, so I clearanced the top of the hole in the link a little, and
freed it up. Linkdown timing was good, and the slide now cleared the barrel by .014 inch a quarter-inch of slide travel.

I had intended to test-fire the gun Monday...but because the initial work went so smoothly...I headed out early today. Function was perfect, and
everything fed...even cast SWCs...and I brought the gun to the bags to
see how it shot.

In a word...WOW! At 10 yards, tossing out the first round with PMC ball, the gun shot into one ragged .650 inch hole about 4 inches high. 25 yards produced a 1.7-inch group that was still a little high. The amazing thing was that the first shot only opened the group about half a bullet diameter
when I shot another group without throwing the first round away. That was small enough to call it a fluke, or blame it on ammo variation.

So...Okay. The Kart E-Z Fit system is all that is claimed. I would have preferred to have had a little extra material in the lower lug feet to work with...but it all came together in magnanimous fashion, and I'm well-satisfied with the results that I got with about 2 hours work involved.

The forumites who are close enough to make the drive can come see the
pistol and shoot it for themselves. No! It's NOT for sale...
 
Welcome back, 'Tuner!

Moved in smoothly? Are the hounds used to the new address yet?

Okay, I have a question. (You knew that was coming, right? :D)

I read the instructions and tossed'em into the can.
Does that mean that if a regular guy (like, say, oh, ME) buys a Kart, sits down and studies the directions carefully, and then follows them closely that I'll have a problem?

Is the method in the direction somehow lacking? :what:
 
Movin'

Howdy jammer,

I haven't moved yet...I just closed on the house Friday, and the girl has to close on the one she's got under contract...Details! Still tryin' to pack up two houses to move into one...Anybody wanna deal on a Rent to Own
split foyer in beautiful downtown Rural Hall? I'll make ya a helluva deal at 10 grand under tax value. Whitetail deer photo ops abound, and traffic is very light.

The instructions that come with the barrel are well-written and in good detail. if you can read, you can fit the barrel. I took it a step outside of the loop when I fitted to the second lug, but if you fit the hood to bear on the first lug only, it'll work. Many smiths don't feel that any more than that is necessary with standard-pressure .45 ACP anyway...and you may get lucky and get one or even both of the others, unless your slide is badly out of spec. Even if you don't pick up one of the others right off the bat, you may be close enough to get one as the lugs seat and begin to equalize with use. Maybe 2,000 rounds...Maybe 10,000...Maybe never.

Just to recap...I like the E-Z Fit system better than I thought I would, and
recommend it highly for a good fit without the time and hassle...and the equipment requirements of a hard-fit barrel. It's a neat little set-up, and
I imagine that I'll use it again at some point.

Wonder if I can special-order one with a short chamber? Hmmmm.... :scrutiny: :p
 
Tuner,

Good writeup, thanks. Fred (and Conrad) have done a lot of really fine work for a long time.

lpl/nc
 
Good Work

Hi Lee...Mighty welcome.

I have to admit to being a little skeptical of the system at first...Maybe even a little worse than that. I thought of them as Semi-Drop in with a short-cut to a tight vertical lock and not much else. I found the one that I used to be a well thought out approach with good attention to detail and close tolerances. If there was just a tiny bit more meat in the lower lug radius,
I'd probably write a song about'em. :D
 
Glad you gave them a whirl finally. Like I have said before, I wish there were a differnt name than Easy-Fit for it as it gives people the wrong impression sometimes.

BTW, you can get Conrad to make just about anything, short chamber. longer hood, etc... He starts at 7:30 in the morning on the .45's, never know when your going to catch him on the perfect day for what you want.

Also, you can buy directly from Kart, they have a lot more to offer than Brownell's stocks or advertises.
 
Early to rise

7:30 huh? Hmmmm...A great barrel and a strong work ethic too...I like these guys.

You're right Bill...The name is a little misleading. Don't know what else they could have named it though. The system is easier than a full hard-fit barrel,
but definitely not a drop-in. The thing that impressed me was that the specs on an aftermarket barrel was so close to a 60+ year-old slide.

There are a few things that I'd like to see...such as a little more material
on lugs 2 and 3...maybe .005 inch or so...about .010 inch in the radius of the lower lug feet...and a .005-inch shorter chamber. I suppose that the barrels are dimensioned to work best with any given slide that may be used...so
SOME compromises would have to be made in order to work the way they do.
Good to know that they'll cut to order. I may use that on the next one. Who knows when that'll be though.

This old pistol is turnin' out so nice, that I may go ahead and do the Full Monty on it, and have it blued instead of just using it as-is. Even a beater likes to look good. I had to cut some material off the frame to get rid of some pitting and bruises. It looked like somebody had used it to drive nails.
Just for laughs, I heated it and blued the bare spots with cold blue...and it looks like it may turn into a longer project than I had planned on.

The slide to frame fit is as tight as can be, with zero play in either plane...but it's smooth as butter. It'll pass the gravity test with the bare slide. Barrel installed, it's just a bit tight going to battery. If I ease it into battery with the recoil spring pushing it, it'll stop just short...and you can watch it pull itself in. I'm gonna put a little slurry on the lower lug and slidestop pin and shoot it 500 times to give everything a chance to settle in. I may get lucky
and pick up lug #3 by the time I've shot it all summer. 1 and 2 are in full contact and the hood is kissing the breechface. Headspace is minimum, so
it can stand a little loosening up. Not as tight as a Baer...but tighter than I like. I figger about 5,000 rounds at full hardball pressure oughta do the trick. Rough job, but somebody's gotta do it...Right?

One of the other mods is supposed to drop by about 10 unless he gets tied up. Maybe I can twist his arm to report on it.
 
Yeah, that'd be me dropping by. I took a 1300mg of Tylenol this morning, and now I can move around again. I want to come down and look at that pistol and have some coffee with you...haven't seen ya in a while, man.

Hey, you know what (I) think would look sharp on this pistol you're describing? Some of Ted Yost's retro sights. Who knows, maybe I'll get ya to help me build a pistol sometime and I'll put those on it.
 
Drop-In

Well, come on...I'll have the turbocoffee ready.

As a rule, I leave the old military pistols as close to they are as I can on the outside...even down to the finish...but this one was so rough and scarred up that I'll forego that rule a little. Don't know what Ted's retro sights look like.
As long as I don't have to machine the slide, and they look close to USGI sights, I may give'em a go. Not sure if I'll blue it or park it at this point.
It appears to have the "Du-Lite" black oxide finish originally...and I can
pretty closely duplicate the brushed appearance with a draw-file...so that may be the way I go. I lost the crossed cannons when I cleaned it up, so it won't be a restoration per se...but it still has the inspector's mark, which is good. Since it's not gonna be a full resto, I guess the sky's the limit...but I still have a problem with most custom acoutrements...so it'll look pretty much like what it is.

The gun has a narrow-spur hammer and a short, commercial Colt serrated trigger. I've got a milled short trigger that I'll probably install later on. The
slidestop is a late-production Rand grooved-type, and the hammer appears to be a Rand too. Likely an arsenal rebuild at some point, with whatever parts would spec out at the time. In other words...very little collector interest and/or value...so I've got a clear conscience. :cool:
 
If the gun ...

Was made by Colt in 1942 it should have been originally Parkerized, but might have been blued. Colt started using the phosphate finish in May, 1941 (serial #729993) but didn't complete the changeover from blue until around serial #780000 in early 1942. Blued and Parkerized lockwork was sometimes intermixed, but the finish on the frame and slide always matched.
 
BluePark

Howdy Fuff!

At this point, I'm not even sure that the slide is original to the frame. The
slide looks like Du-Lite, and the frame was in such a sorry state that it's tough to say...but it's probably parked. The numbers are right in the range for the transition. It'll never again be a collectible GI Colt...but it's gonna be a great shooter or carry gun. The trigger breaks dead clean at just a tick over 6 pounds, so it's right in my favored range for a sidearm. I may retrofit a
different hammer and sear for a quick-change trigger job in case I wanna go show it off on the range... :evil:
 
Wasn't really worried about the finish, but wanted to point out that you could use either. Du-Lite by the way is still in business and sells bluing equipment and salts to the industry, and I believe Colt is still one of they're customers. You may have to change the sights, but it might make one-heck-of a range blaster and a carry gun as well after it gets broken in.

About sights. My lightweight Commander has a high, 1/8" blade mounted on the front and the original rear sight with the notch opened to match the wider one on the front. The front sight was then cut down to zero the pistol with hardball @ 25 yards (point of aim/point of impact @ 50 yards) and the rear one moved in the dovetail to correct for windage. It almost "looks" original, and the sights are low enough to be snag-free under any circumstances. Yet the sights themselves are blocky and very visable for a quick pickup and flash sight picture.

Inexpensive too ... and the Fuff is as cheap as they come.
 
Nice write up on the Kart bbl.

How would you compare the accuracy of the Kart to the other bbls you have installed or refit? I believe I read that you commonly install standard Springfield bbls.

Basically, do you feel the quality and accuracy is worth the price difference?

Thanks.
 
The thing that impressed me was that the specs on an aftermarket barrel was so close to a 60+ year-old slide.

I think that my be part of the key, that old Colt was most likely held closer to original tolerances and I'm fairly certain the Kart barrel was designed around the original tolerances. I am curious though how well the system would have tightned up the pistol if installed without lowering the frame rails? You would have contact top and bottom when in lock-up, the barrel would not only be in a conventional vertical lock-up where normallyh ther would be airspace above the lugs somewhat, but also in contact wioth the lugs in the slide. I believe you would get the best of both worlds here, uniquew to this barrels design, and an end user, hobbiest/armoror/etc.. would save a great deal of work by not attempting to lower the rails and the barrel bed, and, and, and....

BTW, I'm doing parking now due to a lack of competent work near me. HYou pay the shipping both ways and I'll park it for you. I've got one to do definately within the month, a Colt Commander I'm finishing up a barrel fit and cary bevel on, so the tanks will be hot, won't be much trouble. Eventually you might take me up on an offer.
 
Shop and Compare

45Auto...

I'd rate the Kart as a better barrel than the Springfields that I used a couple months ago. The tolerances are closer and the chamber depth turned out to be about as close to perfect for the headspace as you could get short of a
full hard-fit barrel with a semi-finished chamber. The Kart is definitely more accurate as installed in the gun. Although the Springfields were very good,
they're still just a notch above a drop-in barrel...which I pretty much THOUGHT that the Kart would be. Wrong. Yes...The difference in price is worth it. The Springfield barrels were much better than the original Norinco barrels that they replaced...and a bit better than the Colt barrels that were in the 91A1s...but they're not in the same league as the Kart.

Bill Z...

I 'preciate the offer...and I may just surprise ya one day...but at this point, I'm not even sure what I'll do with the gun. I may just use it as a beater, in which case I can just touch up the cold blue from time to time. If I decide to carry it, I'll probably park it...but I'd like to try the parkerizing solution that Brownells lists. I've heard good things about it, and just like the Kart barrel...I'd like to see for myself what the deal is.

I've already got another possible candidate in mind for a barrel swap. I'd like to put another few thousand rounds through it first though. The gun is almost at the point of needin' a light overhaul, but the old girl's still got some mileage left on her.
 
Hmm, not much I can add, Johnny. The pistol looks really nice and I am impressed by both the ease of fit and by your workmanship with it (as always). True, the gun itself is nothing to gaze longingly at, but it is a good gun with good parts that shoots accurately and reliably...what more could one desire?
 
Update

Howdy Steve,

I just got your message at 0700 today...I still wanna have a look at that Smith.

I got up and decided to wring it out...so we ran down the the range and put 500 rounds through it. Along about the 400th round, it started gettin' a little sluggish on the return to battery...so I'm gonna have at it with a little dab of J&B in the rails and on the lower lug where it hits the slidestop pin. The gun is a wee bit tighter than I like.

One failure to go to battery with a 200-grain SWC after it got dirty...so I'll
tweak it a little more. No problems with ball or Winchester 230-grain hollowpoints...and the gun shoots like a house afire.

More later...
 
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