Old Mauser question

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Had to swing by the local pawn shop today and they had a very old Mauser sitting in the back gathering dust, the action was in perfect shape, the stock was in decent shape, sadly the barrel had ben cut back to about 18", but I was willing to live with that for the $175 price tag, Heck I could put a new barrel on it and still be cheap. Problem is that I could not figure out what caliber this thing is, where it came from, or anything. The only marks on the rifle were N9867 it was stamped on the action and on the barrel. Does anyone have any idea what this is? I might buy it just for the action, it was old but still had a mirror finish on it and was as smooth as could be.
 
Might be easier with a few pictures. Do you have a cell phone with camera? Shots of the action, top and sides might help.
Most likely but not necessarily, it's an 8mm Mauser, but it can be one of several if it was an original military chambering.
Some of the pre-98 Mausers have great finishes. Did it have a metal magazine sticking down out of the stock?



NCsmitty
 
Lots of South American Mausers out there as well that would take 7mm Mauser.

Need pics. Also, is it cock on open or cock on close?
 
Sorry yall my picture phone sucks it would only confuse all the more with it's fuzzy pictures. It is not a 7mm the bore is larger then that for sure. The magazine goes to a metal floorplate and it has a steped barrel as in it is thicker at the base and insted of gradualy sloping down it has a defined step down in barrel thickness halfway down it's length. The stock has the traditional cut out in the side for sling attachment. The range adjustmant sight is the largest I have ever seen on any rifle.
 
That's just not enough to go on.
There were dozens of Mauser's that that could describe.
Most Mauser's had stepped barrels. This was to allow the barrel to lengthen in the stock when it expanded during firing, instead of jamming into the stock if the barrel was tapered..

Calibers could be a 7.65 Mauser or a 7.9 (8mm) Mauser.

Does it cock when the bolt is closed? That would be a small ring Mauser like a 1983 Spanish, 1896 Swedish, or one of the various South American small ring rifles like an 1895.
If it cocks when the bolt is opened, it would probably be a large ring Model 1898 as used by just about everyone in the world at one time or another.

If the stock is "way shorter" that probably means it's been sporterized and the stock cut down.
 
It cocked when the bolt opend, It was not a 30 cal so we tried to load what we assumed were 8mm Mauser bullets into the chamber, the ammo box was writen in Ukrainian/Serbian/Belaruse one of those languages that is not quite Russian, so I could not read it but it said 7.99mm on the box. They did not work the bolt would not quite close with one in the chamber, but it is possable they call some other caliber 7.99mm as well.
 
OOPS Please pardon my stupidity I just realized there are 2 seprate calibers that are called 8mm Mauser by us Americans one is the 7.92x57 and the other is the 7.99x57. I suppose that if it was an original 7.92x57 that it would not chamber the newer 7.99x57 since it is a slightly larger caliber. OMG these old rilfes can be confusing. If they were not so absolutly fantastic I would never mess with them :)
 
The Lange rear sight on the Gew98 was also installed on the Peruvian contract Mausers, which likewise have a mirror polished receiver---so try a 7.65x53.
AKA 7.65Argentine and 7.65 Belgian.
-----krinko
 
Sadly very few stores around here will carry anything more unusual than a .375 H&H or 257 Roberts NOBODY has 7.92x57 or 7.65x53 in south Alabama. That is just way too much metric for us rednecks LOL.
 
Heck you should see the looks I get when I ask the people behind the counter if they have any 6.5x55. If you start using too much metric they will think you are trying to buy drugs :)
 
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The stock has the traditional cut out in the side for sling attachment.

That cut out was introduced later than the G98 was an issued weapon. The cut out was generally used only on German or Portuguese service weapons after 1924.

The cut out and 98G sight, plus the cut down barrel indicate some mutt of a gun and while I am not sure what you have, I can give you one statement with certainty; no photo no identification:D.
 
Sounds to me like a sporterized 8mm Mauser. Could be a German, Yugo or even a Russian capture. Top hand guards removed and the barrel cut back from it 23-24 inches.
$175 is high unless it's well done and good bore. Any markings on the receiver?
I support the metric system every inch of the way.
 
I did not buy it because of the hacked up nature or the rifle, another local shop has an all original M98 for $300 which might also be high I don't know. I was looking in my Nosler manual and I was supprised at the ballistics of the old 8mm Mauser it is nearly identical to the 338 Fed with bullets of the same weight. Only difference is you don't have to compress the loads in the Mauser. When did they make the switch from the 7.92 to the 7.99mm?
 
kachok, plenty of shops in south alabama that carry 7.92 x57 6.5x55 257 375 etc. pm me & i'll give you a list...
 
When did they make the switch from the 7.92 to the 7.99mm?

I am not familiar with the 7.99 mm designation, but the German Army went from the original 1888 load with .318" roundnose to a .323" spitzer in 1905. Some rifles may have been rebarreled, many were rethroated to handle the larger diameter bullet. The safety margin was good enough for the General Staff, but not a modern US lawyer, and we are warned against using fresh ammo in the old guns. There are probably not many J bore 1898s left anyhow and most shooters seem to know to take it easy on the 88s.

Sporting rifles hung on to the .318" diameter longer, some makers considered the tight bore more accurate, others probably just had money tied up in equipment for the earlier spec.
 
the other is the 7.99x57

What??????? Where the heck did you come up with that????


The original 7.92x57mm (8mm Mauser) was developed for the 1888 Commission rifle. It used a bullet of .318 diameter. This version of the cartridge used a 226 grain round nose bullet at a fairly low velocity.

In 1905 they updated the cartridge with a .323 diameter bullet and a spitzer type bullet.

It was again updated during the 1930s with a heavier 196-197 grain bullet.

The Germans, Czechs, Yugos, Spanish, Mexicans, Turks, and others used and sometimes made via license versions of the Model 98 type action.
M-98 type actions can be found in 7.92x57mm, 7x57mm, 7.65x53mm, 30-06, 7.62x51 Nato (rebarreled or chamber adapter)

All had step type military barrels which are faster and easier to produce.

You have not provided enough info to make a close guess.

Here is a Czech license version called a VZ-24. This particular rifle is in 7x57mm (7mm Mauser) and it was part of a contract order by Brazilian rebels in Sao Paulo Brazil. As a result it does not have many of the regular markings found on contract rifles. Oddly enough it was originally part of an order of 7.92x57mm Rifles being ordered by the Southern Chinese army. When the Chinese could not pay, they were re-barreled to 7x57mm and shipped off to the Rebels at a bargin price. Unfortunately the rebels lost before the shipment made it to Brazil and the rifles were seized by the corrupt government. This is a JC model which was considered a light weight version, since it weighed about 0.75 pounds less than a standard rifle.
 

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Heck you should see the looks I get when I ask the people behind the counter if they have any 6.5x55. If you start using too much metric they will think you are trying to buy drugs

Sadly very few stores around here will carry anything more unusual than a .375 H&H or 257 Roberts NOBODY has 7.92x57 or 7.65x53 in south Alabama. That is just way too much metric for us rednecks LOL.

I have purchased two rifles at Gander Mountain in Tyler, Tx, one a CZ 375H&H, the other a Marlin 1894 CL in 32-20, the first because of looks, feel and price, the second because of scaricity, and I had been wanting one. They did not at the time or since have had any ammo for either caliber in stock. I looked all over Monroe & West Monroe, La about a year ago for 375H&H ammo and no luck. Try finding soe 9.3x57 Mauser or 7.5 Swiss anywhere. Occassionally I do find soe 6.5x55 on shelves, along with a little bit of 7x57.
 
The Germans, Czechs, Yugos, Spanish, Mexicans, Turks, and others used and sometimes made via license versions of the Model 98 type action.

The 98 was never registered for patent, only the stripper clips were. The Czechs got the DWM machinery after WWI and the Belgians the Mauser equipment.
 
All below are part of the M98 patent configuration per U.S. law at that time:

The Mauser Patents
U.S.
Letters Date Date Royalty
Patent Type Description Issued Expired Paid Notes
590271 Arm "Small Lock for Bolt Guns" 9/21/1897 11/13/1909 $.25/rifle a.
547933 Arm "Safety Lock for Breech Bolts of Guns" 10/15/1895 4/13/1908
527869 Arm "Magazine for Breech Loading Firearms" 10/23/1894 8/12/1907 $.25/rifle
477671 Arm "Shell Extractor for Bolt Guns" 6/28/1892 2/15/1906 $.05/rifle b.
467180 Arm "Shell Extractor for Bolt Guns" 1/19/1892 3/29/1906 $.20/rifle c.
547932 Charger "Cartridge pack for Magazine Guns" 11/15/1895 4/14/1908 $.50/k clips d.
482376 Charger "Cartridge Holder for Magazine Guns" 9/13/1892 9/13/1909 e.
 
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