Old stevens double barrel 12 guage

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I'm going to have to look again. My grandparents moved to CA in 1957. My dad said he had it before they moved and he thought it was kind of old. Maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me or my dad's memory isn't working right.
 
Nice primer on your basic boxlock SxS, bangswitch! I had to learn the hard way-I took one apart for a re-blue, didn't take pics,.....
Thanks. I also learned the hard way. Luckily, it was the last Fox B I had bought, so I had two others I could use to determine where things went if I couldn't figure it out otherwise. There are a few differences in the extractor mechanism, but the hammers, springs, and firing pins were basically the same. The problem is finding the parts. At the time Numrich had several left-side parts, but no right-side ones, which are the ones that get more use and fail more often. Finally located what I needed. The stock repair was more difficult, I didn't want it to be noticeable. Both sides were split where the receiver fits in, and I was worried the splits would get worse if I used the gun.

After removing the stock from the receiver, I drilled at an angle from inside, across the split, tapped for the fine threads, and inserted two long, thin socket head screws, coating them with epoxy. I also added some very fine fiberglass mesh to the inside of the stock in a layer that wouldn't interfere with reinserting the receiver.
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I post this mainly because this is a common split area for old box locks and the repair can be used on other makes. I don't shoot this gun very much, I like my 12 gauge best for clays and skeet, but this is a great gun for doves, it is light, with 26" barrels and swings fast. Like most fixed choke guns, it is modified on the right barrel and full on the left.
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Please remember that lead is banned for hunting in CA and steel shot is murder on these old SxS shotguns

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I too have a Model 311 (made for sears) and it's in very good shape.
Thanks for warning us about the steel shot, I didn't know that.
Can you explain why and how steel shot damages these guns?
Does the same happen with other shotguns like the Remington 870?
 
Steel shot dont's:
1.) Don't shoot steel through full choked guns, no matter the age.
2.) Don't shoot steel through older (pre-WWII) shotguns, no matter the choke. There are some that will take it, but it's not worth ruining the gun. Bismuth and Tungsten shotshells are available.
Steel shot, particularly if shot through a full choke, will wear the barrel (some will say no the wad prevents that, but I've recovered wads that the steel has worn through), engraving it, and thus creating conditions for a blown barrel. Even if it doesn't blow the barrel (it's not common), it will blow the pattern out, because steel does not compress like lead shot, and they spread faster.
A fixed choke post-WWII shotgun can have the bore expanded to IM or Mod., and then steel will give a Full choke pattern.
 
So this has raised some questions with me. I don't hunt at all my shooting is recreational/ defensive pistol practice. I especially don't do much shotgun stuff. I own a mossberg 500 and I have not had it out in years. The mossberg came with a short 18 1/2 inch barrel as well as a longer barrel.

In the stuff my dad gave me with the shot gun and marlin 336 there some slugs. My own way of thinking tells me and maybe I'm wrong that shooting slugs through a choke would be a no go. Like I said maybe I'm wrong but I don't want to try it on my own a a research project. My dad also told me and maybe he's wrong that one of the barrels on this stevens is supposed to have a modified choke.

Again I don't know. I used to shoot a lot of slugs through my mossberg with short barrel on it. Actually I don't think I ever fired a round through the longer barrel. I also don't have any plans on shooting the stevens as it's old and it was already repaired once. What is the general rule of shooting slugs?
 
Hello:
I too have a Model 311 (made for sears) and it's in very good shape.
Thanks for warning us about the steel shot, I didn't know that.
Can you explain why and how steel shot damages these guns?
Does the same happen with other shotguns like the Remington 870?
Those doubles won't have chrome bores which in more modern guns help keep the steel shot from damaging the barrel walls and puts the solder joining the barrels in a very unhappy place. Full chokes act like a barrel obstruction to a swarm of steel trying to evacuate the muzzle. It's dangerous!
Newer 870s have chrome bores, IIRC
You should be able to hunt using Bismuth shot however, if you want to spend the $$$
 
That's good to now I just figured a choke of any kind was not good to use with a slug.
You will probably find that an IC choke gives good slug accuracy. There are two types of slugs: The sabot-style is for rifled shotgun barrels, the Foster style is for smoothbore barrels.
 
You will probably find that an IC choke gives good slug accuracy. There are two types of slugs: The sabot-style is for rifled shotgun barrels, the Foster style is for smoothbore barrels.

That's interesting to know. I didn't realize there were rifled shotgun barrels. I have a box of slugs I can't remember what brand off the top of my head I'm thinking federal or winchester. The box says 1oz rifled slugs. Now I'm curious if it the slug has some kind of rifling cast into it or it's for a rifled barrel.
I don't shoot slugs. I pour salt on 'em, LOL!

You got me on that one. I remember when I was a kid my old brother talking about wanting a shotgun so he could should shoot slugs. I remember asking him why would you want to shoot slugs with a shot gun that's a little much isn't it? Then I learned what a slug was.
 
That's interesting to know. I didn't realize there were rifled shotgun barrels. I have a box of slugs I can't remember what brand off the top of my head I'm thinking federal or winchester. The box says 1oz rifled slugs. Now I'm curious if it the slug has some kind of rifling cast into it or it's for a rifled barrel.


As George P. said, there are two types of slugs; Saboted, which have either a basewad that is attached, (Brenneke/Lightfield type) or surrounds the slug and is made in (usually two) pieces that separate from the slug after exiting the barrel. (Hornady SST, Remington Accu-Tip, etc.) The other type of slug, Foster slugs, (often erroneously referred to as "Forster" or "Forester" slugs) do have helical grooves molded into them, ostensibly to spin the slug, and were designed for smooth bore barrels. To the best of my knowledge and experience, they don't cause spin, or at least not enough to make them accurate.

As a rule, Sabots out of a rifled barrel are the most accurate type. Then would come Brenneke- type ones from a smoothbore barrel. Then Foster slugs through a smoothbore barrel. Shooting Foster or Brenneke- type slugs through a rifled barrel does not increase accuracy much over a smoothbore, and will foul the rifling quickly.

A word about Foster slugs- each individual shotgun tends to prefer one brand over the other for accuracy. It's best to buy a 5 rd. box of each, test them on different days, (so you don't involve recoil reaction into the equation. Shooting more than 5 slugs can cause your accuracy to drop.) and buy the brand that shoots best from your gun.
 
Those grooves on the Foster slugs were to allow it to squeeze down when passing through a tight choke
 
The usual explanation for the "rifling" on a Foster slug was that it was really meant to be easily compressible going through a shotgun barrel, which is not held to as close tolerance as a rifle, and to really squeeze down going through the choke. Stability is mostly the "shuttlecock" effect of the hollow base and solid nose. The grooves and attached wad of a Brenneke serve the same purposes.

Are we still talking about the OP's double barrel?
Finding a double shotgun "regulated" for slugs to shoot to the same point of impact is a matter of luck. Not to mention keeping the same point of aim with rib and bead for sights.

A friend shot his double shotgun with slugs which landed nowhere close to each other but it stimulated his interest and he bought a double rifle.

Walther offered an "automatic rear sight" and "shooting in and targeting both barrels at 60 meters with Brenneke slugs" in 1939.
V. Bernardelli had a slug double and Ugartechea still does.
The neatest I ever saw was by Connecticut Shotgun Manufacturing Co. It was a full rifled 20 gauge double regulated for sabot slugs. Even available with scope sight.
https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...rifled-20-gauge-slug-gun.cfm?gun_id=101220778

One approach on ordinary guns has been to install rifle sights and zero one barrel for slug, the other loaded with buckshot.
 
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