Old, ugly, worn out, and I own it. Winchester 1912 in the house
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We have a Mod 12 that my Grandfather bought my Dad who gave it to me which I gave to my Brother (Because he asked for it when Dad died) who his Sons have shot and in a few years their kids will.
Be careful of shooting modern heavy loads. The Model 12 forcing cone is set up for the old paper hulls. Paper shells don't open up into the old forcing cone modern plastic overshot crimps open further out into the chamber/forcing cone resulting in a crowding condition. The modern plastics will chamber; the problem happens upon firing. Lead will often smash to fit but heavy charges require more space and barrels have been ringed at the chamber. Steel shot is no bueno por nada.
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Be careful of shooting modern heavy loads. The Model 12 forcing cone is set up for the old paper hulls. Paper shells don't open up into the old forcing cone modern plastic overshot crimps open further out into the chamber/forcing cone resulting in a crowding condition. The modern plastics will chamber; the problem happens upon firing. Lead will often smash to fit but heavy charges require more space and barrels have been ringed at the chamber. Steel shot is no bueno por nada.
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Guncollector1982
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i bought a Model 12 made bout 1955 i think... Its in bout the same condition as yours has a recoil pad on it and the forend is slightly different but it looks like a old shotgun should used 
Mines a 12 guage i think its the only shotgun ive ever had any real love for.
Didnt relize i could take mine down lol i found a thread on here and hmm had it in two in bout a miinute
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=333748
Mines a 12 guage i think its the only shotgun ive ever had any real love for.Didnt relize i could take mine down
lol i found a thread on here and hmm had it in two in bout a miinutehttp://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=333748
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LandieLover
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Well im not jealous at all hahah beautiful gun.
BMW2
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Congrats, I just picked one of these up at a gun show on Sunday. Mines a 20ga. and was built in '22. They are very cool, I think I'm hooked.
chas08
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I'm not advocating doing it, but I have shot #2 steel through my '62 Model 12 Mod. choke. Also #6 Hevishot with no ill effects. No ringing of the barrel in front of the choke or change in diameter. (I checked before and after with dial calipers) I wouldn't do it if it were a Full choke. I've seen those ringed. And there is always the differences in steel from generation to generation to consider also.
I wouldn't run steel shot through a Mod 12 especially nothing larger than #4 shot. Bridging can occur with the larger steel and there have been deaths resulting in chamber bursts. Lead is mallable...steel is not. That's my advice. Y'all do what y'all want. Good luck.
Bexar
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If y'all want the final word on the Mod 12 call Briley Guns in Houston. Ask them about short chambers in the early guns and the forcing cone set up for paper hulls vs modern plastics.
http://www.briley.com/index.aspx
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http://www.briley.com/index.aspx
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JNewell
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Just be careful about steel. In addition to Briley, I'd consider giving Simmons and/or Nu-Line a call on this.
chas08
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How early of models are we talking about? I googled the subject and came up blank.
A phone call to a trusted gunsmith who owns and shoots Model 12's yeilded nothing either.
And just so I am clear that I am understanding correctly; the problem is that a 2 3/4" plastic shell doesnt have enough room to open in a 2 3/4" Model 12 chamber because of the design of the forcing cone?
bushmaster1313
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I suggest you let Stu Wright (a licensed FFL gunsmith) at tel 618 357 8933 check your model 12 and put it into good mechanical condition with new springs if needed
Well, $10 and a pile of rubber dust later I have a new recoil pad. Guys aren't kidding when say fitting these things is a PITA.
Ended up finding a vintage Pachmayer on eBay. The old pad on this thing was poorly ground (in that it was both misshapen, and they damaged the stock) so getting the new one all set up was a little awkward. Had to dowel a bunch of old off-kilter holes, too. Guess I'm willing to say it's close enough for a first timer.
Ended up finding a vintage Pachmayer on eBay. The old pad on this thing was poorly ground (in that it was both misshapen, and they damaged the stock) so getting the new one all set up was a little awkward. Had to dowel a bunch of old off-kilter holes, too. Guess I'm willing to say it's close enough for a first timer.
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