Old Vs New N Frame S&W Revolvers

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I am very fond of the older S&W relvovers and own a 29-1 and a Mdl 27. I have carefully examined mine and compared them to newer models of the 629 and 627's and find the finish and fit so much better, and the SA and DA pulls far superior to the newer models. I realize that am comparing SS to a blued finish, but frankly to be the quality is lacking. S&W's quality has certainly gone down hill over the past 40 years while thei prices have increase ten fold. I'd would be very interested in hearing any comments that you may have. For me, I'll take an older blued model anytime. :)
 
I haven't bought anything since I got a 686 no dash back in the 80s. The quality in them is less than in my 25s or 27s or even the M&Ps that I have. However, if they put the hand work into them now that they did back then, I doubt we could afford them. Not and pay a decent wage. I know I couldn't live on what S&W used to pay the employees.
 
What's old ? The quality in late 70s and early 80s was terrible ! Improved in the late 80s .Then there are the technical changes .My M29 was made in '79 [a well made one !] In the 80s they were strengthened. Then came MIM which originally was used in many parts but later they realized some parts are better forged or machined.
 
I'd would be very interested in hearing any comments that you may have. For me, I'll take an older blued model anytime.

You will certainly not be alone.

However, with the disclaimer that I own far more older ones than newer ones, I have found stereotypes to lack accuracy and conventional wisdom to not be all that wise. One really should have and appreciate both.

I will differ with many in not seeing a steady decline in S&W N frame quality. Most assuredly, all the production expedients that folks bemoan have actually happened. However, while all this usurpation by the accountants was going on concurrent improvements were being made.

It's most obvious in the pre-vs-post 2E model 29. The fit and finish everyone goes ga-ga for are buried in the past but those characteristics which define it's worth as a firearm have, on average, actually gotten better - chamber throats are more uniform, metallurgy and heat treat have improved.

It depends on your priorities - if your guiding light is "looking at" and admiring hand finishing, you will prefer the older version. If your priority is actually shooting the thing, a post-CNC might better serve.

I simply can't seem to post to one of these "the good old days are toast" threads without quoting my favorite moderator:
I own a Smith or two, and consider myself at least somewhat qualified to comment on the topic.

As far as fit and finish goes? There is no doubt, a pre-'57 (or better yet, pre-War) Smith is vastly superior in fit, finish, and polish; the cosmetic characteristics that catch the eye.

As far as mechanical tolerances and measurable characteristics like mechanical accuracy or metallurgical strength? It is no contest; an ugly modern 29 dash-whatever-number-they're-on-now is ten times the gun that a beautiful '60 Model 29 no-dash is. It is more accurate, the chamber throats are more consistent, the b/c gap is much more likely to be spot on, and the insides of the lockwork (under the side panel where a lot of people never look) won't look like it was whittled with a flint axe. Seriously, I have a pre-25 that is maybe the prettiest gun I own, but if you pulled off the sideplate and dragged a phonograph needle around in there backwards, it would probably say "I buried Paul..."

This is completely ignoring the better heat treating and metallurgy. A new 29-9 will swallow loads that would leave a Bangor Punta gun a frame-stretched, backwards-cylinder-spinning wreck. Don't believe me? Go get an old 29 and a few boxes of Cor-Bon or Buffalo Bore and try it yourself.

A topic which may deserve its own thread is the fact that what has been learned should sometimes not remain "learnt". I've recently had an epiphany whereby I realized that it's natural for the lay person to have memories cast in stone. That usually works if one is discussing casting manhole covers or blanking sheet steel. It doesn't work worth a wet slap with computers - if all your opinion on computers was based on a 1977 Apple 2E, your knowledge of a 4GB, Terrabyte drive, quad core machine will be sadly lacking, if not actually stone backwards in some areas.

Knowledge of dynamic fields which isn't itself dynamic isn't knowledge worth having.


MIM is neither integrated circuits nor cast iron but it does land in between. It's first commercial applications were in the middle '70s. It was getting a little steam in the 90s and has now passed its adolescence.

It flabergasts me that people that learned about MIM 10 or 20 years ago will pontificate as though their knowledge of the process wasn't hopelessly out of date. If you learned about forging 20 years back you don't have a lot of catching up to do. If your opinions of MIM were formed 20 years back you might as well be posting about building cobblestone streets.

In the end, if you bury your head in the past or look only to the present and future, you lose either way. All eras have something worthwhile to offer - even 'Nam era Bangor Punta.
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Darn fine post, Hawk.

Where/from whom did you dig up that quote? Excellent. I actually have a 2nd Model Hand Ejector that, when you open it and take out the lockwork, says "Turn me on, dead man" inside. ;)
 
That sounds like her! Thanks for the attribution.

I have trouble explainging this to folks - nice looking old guns aren't entirely comparable to precisely built modern ones in stainless or a poorer blue. That says it better than I have done in the past.
 
I have an old 25-2 that is a work of art. I have an old 29-3 that is pretty, but mechanically nowhere near a match for the 25-2. Opening and closing the cylinder on the 25-2 reminds me of a Swiss watch. The 29-3 is more like an old Ford two door. (Well, not that bad)

All in all, I'd take an older S&W.
 
S&W quality was lousy in the late 1970s and early 1980s. It was hit or miss whether you would get a good one or a lousy one.

I had a 27-2 that sheared the hammer stud in the first 100 rounds. It also shot 12" low at 25 yards. I had a 25-2 that had a dreadful trigger pull. It went back to S&W. Not N frames, but a 41 had a warped barrel, shot 12' left at 25 yards and the trigger went out twice in the first 250 rounds after S&W straightened the barrel. I had a 14 with a warped frame. S&W replaced the Frame.

When S&W dropped the recessed cylinders, that was it for me. I haven't purchased a S&W since 1979.
 
My 629-6 is much stouter and has a better action and lighter single action trigger pull than my 29-2 but I hate the despised lock.

I reserve my 29-2 for light target loads and pure fun. doing that, I like it better.
 
No noticeable difference to me as far as utility or performance. I do think the older ones are more attractive.
 
I disagree with the comments about bad S&Ws from the 1970s. I have several, owned many more that are gone now, and never saw a bad one.

Yeah, these must be junk, right?


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Now, having said that, as a general rule fit and finish do get better as you go back in time. If you've ever seen a Smith from the 1930s in new condition the finish is stunning. But that doesn't make the 1970s guns crap. Just not quite as nice.
 
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