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Do you remember Batman and how the Joker would be hanging from a cliff, just inches from death, when from out of no where Batman pulls the Joker to safety, just to reak havok again?

I've been reading on these forums, and within myself debating, 'Whould I shoot and kill someone, if they broke into my house?' :confused: Topics like "Shoot to Wound/Shoot to Kill" and other interesting stories of break-ins throughout the forum, and in the Tactics area, have lead me to a few conclusions I'd like to share with you:

1st: Everyone should have read or downloaded the gun facts 5.0 version from gunfacts.info. I had mine spiral bound at Kinkos... It contains all kinds of progun (and a small section of antigun quotes in the back) information, but the most interesting to me was the fact that most criminals have already been criminals for years.
So, consider this, every criminal you hear about on the television, every robbery, or burglarly you live, the bad guys probably done it tens or hundreds of times already. I will remember that when someone is breaking into my home.

2nd: Various studies and medical professionals agree that there are two ways to effectively stop an intruder with a single shot: Spine or head. Both of which are fairly obvious as to why they will stop aomeone, but what are the alternatives to being Rambo? Enough damage to vital organs: liver, heart lungs, etc. etc. to render them stopped.

I am not a doctor, but I am of the firm belief that if you can stop someone within your home with the use of force, that use of force will probably be enough to kill them. It's a moral delima, yes, the human life is valuable, but some scum bag's life is not as valuable as mine, that's why I imagine I will shoot and as the say goes "let the Lord decide."

So, what kind of follow up threads would I expect, first, go download the gunfacts, then any kind of thinking that goes through your head as to why you would, or would not shoot, why you use what caliber/guage you use, that sort of thing... Too often do the innicent hold the guilty at gunpoint, just to let the badguy get some kind of parole... :cuss:
 
but some scum bag's life is not as valuable as mine, that's why I imagine I will shoot and as the say goes "let the Lord decide."
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according to the Law and the Lord (at least in most schools of religious thought) That "scumbag's" life is every bit as valuable as your's

For me to decide that the "scumbag" in my house is just gonna do it again if I let him live & then deliberately kill him is putting myself in the place of the ( cliché though it sounds) Judge Jury & Executioner. that's not my place.

The Law recognizes my right to protect my self. If ,while I'm protecting myself, the "scumbag" ( isn't amazing how we always seem to have a dehumanizing term for someone we want to kill?) dies the Law allows for that. But , not in Sarah Brady's wildest wet dreams ( cause she'd soooo have just the reason she's looking for to take our guns) do I get a free pass to blow somebody away just so "they won't do it again"
 
Agreed.

KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid).
We shoot to stop.
We shoot to stop.
We shoot to stop.

If the BG dies as a result that was his choice not yours. The intent was to stop. Sometimes he lives. Sometimes he dies. That is not your call. Shoot and continue to shoot until he is no longer a threat. As my drill instructor loved to say "too easy".

The mind does funny things. You likely will be in shock and mentally shaken after a home invasion. Brain doesn't always work logically. You keep telling yourself "criminals will do it again", "he likely has terrorized other people", "you had a right to kill him", "at least since you killed him he will never do it again" odds are something like that will come out of your mouth while talking to the LEO. That is something you don't want.

COPS SHOOT TO STOP.
SECURITY PERSONNEL SHOOT TO STOP.
SOLDIERS SHOOT TO STOP.
WE SHOOT TO STOP.

Shoot to stop the threat. (too easy).
 
Once again, regardless of what you post on here (or any other gun board), your paperwork should read "I shot to stop the perp/intruder/BG." if you use deadly force.


Don't do anything that you cannot justify.
 
Enemies of gun owners are sometimes gun owners

If you shoot for any reason other than to prevent the immediate death or serious injury of yourself or someone else you are not doing anyone a service and here is just one reason why.

There will be an investigation that hopefully would reveal that what you did was murder. Maybe you get to plead out to 2nd degree murder and take the 15 to life he is offering you...your public defender suggests that you accept the "deal" because there is overwhelming evidence that you didn't act according to the law in your area in addition to there being solid evidence that you planned to kill any intruder.

Please don't be shooting people in your house without a legal reason to do so. It just wastes my tax dollars to do all the followup investigations, prosecute you and house you in prison.
 
Shoot to stop the threat. If I catch someone running to their car with my TV, he's not a threat to me and won't get shot.

If I yell "STOP", and he turns around and drops the TV and reaches into his coat, I'd most likely still hesitate to see what he pulls out, just because shooting him if he was reaching for a cell phone or his wallet would in all likelihood ruin my day just as badly as it ruins his.

As soon as I'd see what looks like a gun, be it an airsoft, or a cap gun, or a piece of carved wood, its a whole new set of rules then and I'd keep shooting until he no longer posed a threat to me. That may be after 1 shot that misses him and he drops to the ground begging for his life, or that may be after the 3rd shot ventilates his cranium, its all up to him (or her).
 
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If you shoot for any reason other than to prevent the immediate death or serious injury of yourself or someone else you are not doing anyone a service and here is just one reason why.

There will be an investigation that hopefully would reveal that what you did was murder. Maybe you get to plead out to 2nd degree murder and take the 15 to life he is offering you...your public defender suggests that you accept the "deal" because there is overwhelming evidence that you didn't act according to the law in your area in addition to there being solid evidence that you planned to kill any intruder.

Please don't be shooting people in your house without a legal reason to do so. It just wastes my tax dollars to do all the followup investigations, prosecute you and house you in prison.
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You guys can do what you are legally able to do.

We're fine here in Texas.
 
if someone is in my house uninvited, they have done so with disregard for my wellbeing and will be shot if facing me. entering a residence uninvited is premafacie evidence of disregard for my life and health and will be dealt with accordingly.
 
2nd: Various studies and medical professionals agree that there are two ways to effectively stop an intruder with a single shot: Spine or head. Both of which are fairly obvious as to why they will stop aomeone, but what are the alternatives to being Rambo? Enough damage to vital organs: liver, heart lungs, etc. etc. to render them stopped.
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Aim for body mass, the center of the chest. Chances are you will hit the heart directly, or, the bullet will hit bone, fragment, and hit other vital organs to include the heart.
 
if someone is in my house uninvited, they have done so with disregard for my wellbeing and will be shot if facing me. entering a residence uninvited is premafacie evidence of disregard for my life and health and will be dealt with accordingly.
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Not necessarily true everywhere. While most States do not require that you retreat in your own home, that in and of itself does not necessarily imply that the use of deadly force would be justified absent some other actions by the criminal that could be construed as a threat of great bodily harm or death.

An episode of COPS illustrates the point:
Homeless guy breaks in an occupied house (undetected initially) and is then discovered taking a bubble bath. He is nude (decided not to wash his clothes at the same time I guess...) and not threatening the homeowners. Are you justified in shooting him on the spot? I don't think so....
 
To shoot at an intruder until the intruder appears not be progressing in any way will likely lead to the death of the intruder. Or are you going to shoot the intruder, look at him at some length to assess the kind of resistance he is doing or could be capable of? Using that approach you will probably find out how capable he is by being shot in the head by him. To go all out on a wounded intruder is the only way to go, or don't shoot at all. You can't have both. Are you expecting him to be content after the first hit of yours?
 
Only in fantasy do all COM or CNS shots result in death so you might want to recalculate your odds of facing an LEO AND a live criminal. Your actions and any record of your opinion related to the shooting will bear upon how you are treated. If you make yourself out to be society's avenging vigilante your shooting probably won't be sanctioned by society.
 
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