One nugget of gold dredged out of a sea of overpriced gun show crap...

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...So, I and a friend got up to Phoenix today for the Crossroads of the West/Small Arms Review gun show - the ONLY gun show worth battling Phoenix's rush-hour traffic on the way home for. :cuss:

As usual, the prices for new and used guns there ran at least $100 more than I would have been willing to pay for anything on the tables, with maybe a few exceptions that some fellow Arizonans may wish to take note of for Saturday or Sunday:

- 2 different Japanese Type 99 Arisaka rifles seen for $200; the best one was in the SAR building, mum-intact but refinished(looks Parkerized);

- An American Arms-made .22LR Walther P-38 look-alike pistol for $199 in the "Collector Arms" building at the back;

- Also in the "Collector Arms" building, just inside the right-hand entry, a private seller with Polish P-64's for $169, chromed P-64's for $189, and a Czech surplus CZ-82 for only $239;

And, what I found...a "Colt .357"(that's the actual model name). The "Colt .357" was the immediate predecessor to the Python, both guns share the same frame size, cylinder and lockwork; the Python differs externally in having the vent-ribbed, full-length-underlugged barrel and wide-spurred target hammer, and internally in terms of more painstaking hand-fitting of the action. These guns, along with the similar pre-MkIII Colt Troopers, have a reputation in certain circles as "poor man's Pythons."

This particular ".357" still has a very tight action and lockup, but reeks of cold-bluing; the finish on the barrel is looking particularly thin, although I don't see any actual rust, corrosion or pitting. The cylinder looks slightly better off than the barrel, and the frame looks so smooth and even that I suspect the gun may have been re-blued at some point - especially since the sides of the hammer are blued, and not polished bright as I think was correct for original production.

According to the dealer, the serial #, 129XX, dates the gun to about 1953. As received, the adjustable rear sight had been cranked all the way right, probably to compensate for it's previous owner's low-left flinch. :neener: And, to top it off, the gun came complete with a set of service-style home-made-looking old stag grips, and two sets of vintage Fitz "Gun Fighter" plastic combat grips - one in dull-brown faux-walnut finish, and one in a glossy-red rosewood-type finish.

So, what did I pay? $300.00 OUT THE DOOR. :cool: :D

...Sorry, I'm feeling a little verklemt right now...Discuss amongst yourselves...
 
Pictures. We need pictures.


Seriously, though - sounds like a good buy for a functional .357 that you're happy with.
 
The Old Fuff is.... well .... shaken.

This is at best bad news. If older Colt .357 Magnums are commaning $300.00, even with plastic grips and cold-blue finishes...

It means that he can't steal them any more... :evil:

How sad... :D
 
...Loved the "sea of overpriced crap" line. Today I skipped the gun show in Billings because the last few have been a complete waste of time. Not sure if all the worthwhile stuff has gone to auction houses and the internet or what, but I can't see spending time, money, and gas on what shows up there anymore.

Anymore it's got the feel of a used car salesman's convention--if you're not a regular, then you're just another mark.

Took the money I would have blown getting there and ordered more powder instead.
 
I checked Colt's Dates of Manufacture by Wilson and that serial number series is listed as being made in 1958. Colt prices seem to be all over the place. I've been looking for a Python but they are very pricy. I just picked up a Trooper MK III four inch in great shape for $400. I suppose one thing is for sure, the prices won't be coming down. Enjoy your new Colt:)

John
 
When a gun "reeks of cold blue", is it advised to strip off the cold blue with Flitz or similar, to restore the gun to a respectable patina?

Or do you leave the glopped cold blue on and hope that nobody assumes that you are responsible for the hackwork?

I kinda like patina myself, would be tempted to Flitz it. Correct if wrong, but Flitz tears cold blue right off with just a soft cloth, but only polishes up the hot blue and other finishes?



Speaking of which, I just got my Weaver 2.5J steel-tube scope in the mail ("Made in El Paso", $17 on eBay). Got to go get all the gunge and scent of ciggy smoke off it with teh Flitz.

-MV
 
I had one I got for even less than that early last year, with the Royal Blue intact. But its timing was badly off and nobody around here knew how to fix it. Fantastic handgun, though. And really nice grips, made before everybody started putting Coke bottles on magnums.
 
I looked at a 4”/blued Python this morning that had been submerged under floodwater in a house for 6 weeks….

Believe it or not, the lockwork, chambers and bore were fine. The rest we won’t talk about… It will live however, and don’t accept the drivel about the gun being delicate.

I never go to gun shows to buy guns… I go to gun shows to buy everything else but guns. After you forget about guns and start looking at everything else you can usually find some decent prices.

Retiming these older Colt’s isn’t really that hard, it’s just that there aren’t too many left that know this. I get some super deals on out-of-time older Colt’s that are fine 20 minutes after I get home, and with no new parts. What you have to have is a hammer… :evil:
 
3rd Rail, negotiations are underway for pics...

Highland Ranger, the barrel and front sight appear to be correctly "clocked" at 12:00, straight up. :neener:

Old Fuff, my supervisor at work paid $325 for another ".357" in equivalent condition(although his had an un-re-touched, holster-worn original finish).

Dienekes, my muse and I thank you...:neener:

jlundy46, thanks for the corrected born-on date!

MatthewVanitas, when I said "reeks of cold-bluing," I was speaking literally - I noticed that distinctively sulfurous Birchwood-Casey Cold Blue-smell as soon as I got within arm's reach. Now, I've heard some good things about BlueWonder's touch-up products, but then again I'm also considering sending this baby to Grant Cunningham(www.grantcunningham.com) for some of his trigger-mojo, and I might also have a Python barrel installed(if I can find one), and the resulting gun professionally re-blued and/or engraved.

Cosmoline, it's still fun to watch the ignorant and clueless pass by the diamonds-in-the-rough - but only if you've got the cash or credit to snap 'em up at the time...

Thanks to all for sharing in the joy of my discovery!
 
Some of the treasures I have recovered from the "Sea of Gun Show Crap",,,
N.I.B. Walther P-5.
Pre 17 S&W .22 Hand Ejector.
4th Model Hand Ejector Target .38 Special 12 digits off the one used by Ed McGivern.
Springfield M1A Bush Rifle.
Bushmaster pre ban Dissapator AR15 carbine.

I love recovery missions in "The Sea of Gun Show Crap"!
 
This is at best bad news. If older Colt .357 Magnums are commaning $300.00, even with plastic grips and cold-blue finishes...

It means that he can't steal them any more...

The gun show I went to yesterday had a bunch of old Colts, nothing even near $300! Everything there was ridiculous except for the 3" model 66 Taurus I bought for $180 and they guy wanted $200 for that! I bought a practically NEW Taurus 66 for 200 at a gun show several years ago. Things must be going up. They had a Rossi medium frame blued USED .38 special there, 4" barrel, for $220! Dayum, I can get a NEW one for that!:rolleyes: This thing had a lot of holster wear, but I didn't pick it up to check it out, wasn't interested.

I saw what they wanted for the Colts and the used Smiths and just walked on. There was a funny looking little double barreled .45 Colt/.410 there, small, looked like a little side by side shotgun, looked cheaply built, for $160. I thought about getting that just for a toy/curio when I came upon the Taurus. I'd gone over there intent on finding a 3" K frame, but had to pass on the M19s they had there, $400 and up.:rolleyes:

A $300 colt of ANY kind in ANY condition would have been a bargain at that gun show. I did notice they weren't selling many firearms. This guy bought a Kel Tec P11, the only one at the show, while I was doing my paperwork. I own one and looked at the price...$299.:rolleyes: They had a used one at a gun shop in El Campo for $199 and their NIB ones are only around $230. I always thought you were supposed to be able to find bargains at gun shows. That Taurus was the only thing there HALF way decent for the money and that's only because everyone was looking at the Smiths, don't consider Taurus. That doesn't explain how they could ask $220 for a used Rossi, but whatever. At least I found something I wanted for what I thought was a decent deal.
 
A $300 colt of ANY kind in ANY condition would have been a bargain at that gun show. I did notice they weren't selling many firearms.

And there is an important clue as to what real values are. I often watch the Internet auctions to see what's selling, and for what. Asking prices don't count unless the gun sells. Watching doesn't cost a cent. ;)

That said, the only time I'm going to get a steal on an older Colt (or any other make for that matter) is if something is wrong with it. Most gun show sellers don't have a clue when it comes to fixing something. A lot of those older Colt's are out-of-time because of age - or more likely, because of abuse. I spot the problems and then sometimes dicker the price down. Sometimes way down. Most of the time I can set things right without needing any new parts. It's a matter of knowing how.

One time I was at a show and encountered a friend that was trying to sell a Colt with a sprung crane. I wasn't interested in the gun, but since he was a friend I borrowed a plastic-headed hammer and fixed it in under 5 minutes. He was absolutely flabbergasted!

The poor Old Fuff is used to buying such "junk" for prices between $75.00 to maybe $175.00 .... those days are apparently over... :(

As for buying guns. I usually go on the last day of the show, and ask the seller what his best CASH price might be. Sometimes it works, sometime it doesn't. But I can, (and do) walk away if they won't budge. There will always be another gun down the line...
 
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Only thing I'd found as a good deal recently, given the prices they command now, was a mint Radom TT-33 Tokarev for $225 with holster and two mags, right grips and all. And that was first thing on the first day. Everything else was laughably overpriced at most tables. The one revolver I always look for is a Webley Mk VI in .455, but the only ones I've ever seen look to have been recovered from beneath the sea, converted to .45, and still at an asking price of like $800. :barf:

The fact that every other table had the $79 Nagant revolvers for $179 to $250 is particularly amusing.
 
I think prices on guns at gun shows are often inflated for two reasons: (1) the seller hopes that someone will pay his asking price, and (2) he expects to be involved in trade deals and wants some room to dicker. An informed buyer should offer a realistic price, and walk if it isn't forthcoming. No where is it written that you have to buy guns at gun shows.

Also the relative popularity/demand for a particular gun can make a big difference. A seller is far less likely to come down on something that's in high demand (say some 1911 pattern pistols) then something that isn't (such as an older .38 Special revolver with a 5 or 6 inch barrel). You also won't find a long line looking for 19th century top-break pocket revolvers. And as I've pointed out, if a handgun of almost any kind has problems that can be identified it's a buyers' market.
 
Kor, nice find. Those are great guns. I have one too. I read a really great true story a couple of years ago about an operative of some kind in West Berlin during the Cold War who had multiple occasions to use his Colt 357 to save his life. Wish I could find it to direct you to it. Anyway, here's mine. I have three styles of grips for it, but I like these.
 

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Those are the same "service" stocks that were used on the Official Police and Python. Check the online auctions and Ebay and you should find something.
 
If they are in good shape I've seen them go for twice that. At $25.00 they would be a flaming deal. :evil:
 
About a year ago I bought a COLT .357 for $300.00 out the door also. I started a thread here because I was not shure what it was. I listed the serial # 69XX an was told that it was made in '54 the first year of production. mine has a 4 in. bbl. and about 98% of the origanal blueing. It has cheep rubber hogue grips that I can't wait to replace. Problem is I was informed in that thread the correct ones can cost up to $150.00. Thats 1/2 what I paid for the gun. If i'm going to pay that much I'm going to get something I realy want . I'm thinking maby some American Elk Horn grips from Eagle.
 
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