Daniel T
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Someone who wants to be left alone probably should not be setting off explosives in their back yard, especially in the middle of a city.
Bluesbear, you're absolutely right.
One of our photogs threatened with a pistol
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Someone who wants to be left alone probably should not be setting off explosives in their back yard, especially in the middle of a city.
Bluesbear, you're absolutely right.
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"...girls shouldn't walk down dark alleys wearing skimpy clothing anymore than people should be prying into the private lives of other people under the badge of "journalism".
The first assertion is specious as to the subject at hand; photographing what is in the open from public areas.
The second lacks even the premise of reason, as detonating explosive devices in residential neighborhoods is NOT protected as being "the private lives of other people." It CEASED to be "private" the nanosecond the concussion went beyond the actor's property.
The event is probably criminal, almost certainly irresponsible, and definitely NEWS. Sending a crew to film the site from a public area to determine what damage may have been caused, talk to any witnesses, or otherwise gather information IS journalism, not an "invasion of privacy" - grasp the concept.
Cretins who commit illegal acts in public have no basis for claiming their "private lives" have been invaded, their privacy "taken", or otherwise posing as victims of those acting "under the badge of 'journalism.'" They discarded that defense the moment they entered the public zone.
"...girls shouldn't walk down dark alleys wearing skimpy clothing anymore than people should be prying into the private lives of other people under the badge of "journalism".
The first assertion is specious as to the subject at hand; photographing what is in the open from public areas.
The second lacks even the premise of reason, as detonating explosive devices in residential neighborhoods is NOT protected as being "the private lives of other people." It CEASED to be "private" the nanosecond the concussion went beyond the actor's property.
The event is probably criminal, almost certainly irresponsible, and definitely NEWS. Sending a crew to film the site from a public area to determine what damage may have been caused, talk to any witnesses, or otherwise gather information IS journalism, not an "invasion of privacy" - grasp the concept.
Cretins who commit illegal acts in public have no basis for claiming their "private lives" have been invaded, their privacy "taken", or otherwise posing as victims of those acting "under the badge of 'journalism.'" They discarded that defense the moment they entered the public zone.
As to the "growing some stones" comment..... I am a former news photographer for an NBC affiliate. Having survived the tail end of an F2, having shots fired at/past/over/next to me on multiple occasions, nearly having a burning house go down on me, and various other dangerous situations...... I think it's fair to say I can tell the guy to grow a pair.
Shooting car wrecks with all the idiots on the road was actually the most dangerous thing I did... people see you and start drifting over (you've seen cop cars get taken out while ticketing... same phenomenon). I missed getting hit by a foot or two over a dozen times, and a reporter of mine nearly got sucked in front of a semi till I body tackled her out of the way (the truck missed me first as I crossed the road, he came around the corner WAY too fast.... couldn't even hear him coming).
Shooting car wrecks with all the idiots on the road was actually the most dangerous thing I did... people see you and start drifting over (you've seen cop cars get taken out while ticketing... same phenomenon). I missed getting hit by a foot or two over a dozen times, and a reporter of mine nearly got sucked in front of a semi till I body tackled her out of the way (the truck missed me first as I crossed the road, he came around the corner WAY too fast.... couldn't even hear him coming).
Was it just a Real Estate appraiser getting comps? Or was it police who had the wrong house, or a burglar casing it, or an Identity Thief... the problem is, you can't know.
I'm a property appraiser and I have to shoot comps almost every day. I've had homeowners yell at me, I've always stopped my car and explain what I'm doing........never a problem so far. There have been times when the homeowner was in the yard and I've gone up to them and explained that I'm using their house as a comp but I can't have people in the picture and each time the homeowner has complied by stepping into his garage or otherwise getting out of the way while I take a picture.........ya just gotta ask nice.
I'm a property appraiser and I have to shoot comps almost every day. I've had homeowners yell at me, I've always stopped my car and explain what I'm doing........never a problem so far. There have been times when the homeowner was in the yard and I've gone up to them and explained that I'm using their house as a comp but I can't have people in the picture and each time the homeowner has complied by stepping into his garage or otherwise getting out of the way while I take a picture.........ya just gotta ask nice.
Silver Bullet
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We can do without the racial slurs, please.
Thank you.
Politically Correct revision:
"no-shirt-wearing, mullet-encrusted white-trash
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We can do without the racial slurs, please."
OK - how about:
Socio-economically deprived, fashion-challenged, melanin-missing
individual suffering from inadaquate apparel
Are we all copacetic with the New Terms of Inclusion?
"no-shirt-wearing, mullet-encrusted white-trash
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We can do without the racial slurs, please."
OK - how about:
Socio-economically deprived, fashion-challenged, melanin-missing
individual suffering from inadaquate apparel
Are we all copacetic with the New Terms of Inclusion?
Silver Bullet
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Maybe you need to rethink your signature line.
Silver Bullet
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Somebody would have protested if the phrase “Indian trash†or “black trash†or “jap trash†had been used; it’s no different to say “white trashâ€.
What I resent is the so-called PC folks telling us that any comment that could in any way be considered derogatory to an ethnic group is racist, yet they feel no compunction at all about making comments or jokes about “rednecksâ€, “hillbilliesâ€, “trailer trashâ€, “gun nutsâ€, or “white trashâ€. These terms are used to imply that “white trash†are substandard, subclass, and don’t have the same rights as the people who perpetuate these images in the media.
Don’t think you’re better than somebody else just because he is “shrtless†and parks his Firebird on his front lawn.
What I resent is the so-called PC folks telling us that any comment that could in any way be considered derogatory to an ethnic group is racist, yet they feel no compunction at all about making comments or jokes about “rednecksâ€, “hillbilliesâ€, “trailer trashâ€, “gun nutsâ€, or “white trashâ€. These terms are used to imply that “white trash†are substandard, subclass, and don’t have the same rights as the people who perpetuate these images in the media.
Don’t think you’re better than somebody else just because he is “shrtless†and parks his Firebird on his front lawn.
BluesBear
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I am a Hillbilly and I don't resent the term.
I am a redneck. I don't mean the silly uneducated type as humorized by Jeff Foxworthy but a real honest-to-gosh-God-fearing-don't-mess-with-my-daughter redneck. And I am proud of it.
I however am NOT white trash. But I know it when I see it!
I will contunie to use the term, politically correct of not.
Everyone has a word or two in their everyday vocabulary that could be consdered offensive to someone or some group. (Unless they're some panty-waste milktoast who is incapable of thinking for themselves.)
But even if I had hair I would rather be dead than be seen wearing a mullet!
I am a redneck. I don't mean the silly uneducated type as humorized by Jeff Foxworthy but a real honest-to-gosh-God-fearing-don't-mess-with-my-daughter redneck. And I am proud of it.
I however am NOT white trash. But I know it when I see it!
I will contunie to use the term, politically correct of not.
Everyone has a word or two in their everyday vocabulary that could be consdered offensive to someone or some group. (Unless they're some panty-waste milktoast who is incapable of thinking for themselves.)
But even if I had hair I would rather be dead than be seen wearing a mullet!
Roon
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I used the term "paranoid thug" to describe our mullethaired brother. I'm sure that bothered a few folks, but today everything one says bothers a few folks. Simply using the term mullethaired would upset some folks.
Look, I'm an old fat guy. I would like to be that dashing young guy of my youth, but now I'm an old fat guy. The last time I looked, it was still alright to call somebody "white", and trash probably fits the guy, as well, given his thuggy actions.
Folks who want to back the guy, and feel his civil rights were violated, have that right. In my book, the guy was dead wrong, and making an issue of an epithet like "white trash" just glosses over that wrong.
YMMV
Look, I'm an old fat guy. I would like to be that dashing young guy of my youth, but now I'm an old fat guy. The last time I looked, it was still alright to call somebody "white", and trash probably fits the guy, as well, given his thuggy actions.
Folks who want to back the guy, and feel his civil rights were violated, have that right. In my book, the guy was dead wrong, and making an issue of an epithet like "white trash" just glosses over that wrong.
YMMV
Exactly.
My issue was with the double-standard that exists even on this board; say anything bad about muslims, and you'll just about get crucified.
But go ahead and perpetuate stereotypes about gun owners, and you're A-OK, so long as its coming from one of us.....
Whatever.....
BluesBear
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Those no-shirt-wearing, mullet-encrusted white-trash people has just as much right to own a gun as a old, fat, disabled, red-neck, guitar playing hillbilly like me does. He has as much right as anyone.
For now.
What he doesn't have is the right to harass or threaten someone engaging in a lawfull activity.
Of course that cameraman had his rights too.
I don't cionstrue anything that has been said regarding his demeanor and appearance as anything that would "perpetuate stereotypes about gun owners".
What America and the rest of the word has to realize (again) is that there is NO stereotype gun owner
It wasn't all that long ago that it was taken for granted that any American was probabily a gun owner.
This guy appears to be a stereotype on several levels but none of them is as a gun owner.
For now.
What he doesn't have is the right to harass or threaten someone engaging in a lawfull activity.
Of course that cameraman had his rights too.
I don't cionstrue anything that has been said regarding his demeanor and appearance as anything that would "perpetuate stereotypes about gun owners".
What America and the rest of the word has to realize (again) is that there is NO stereotype gun owner
It wasn't all that long ago that it was taken for granted that any American was probabily a gun owner.
This guy appears to be a stereotype on several levels but none of them is as a gun owner.
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So I finally had a chance to catch up with the photog in question. Not surprisingly he was really rather nonplussed about the whole affair.
He told me that at the point that mullet-man came out of the house, his first thought was "I'll bet Justin knows what kind of gun that is." Always nice to know when someone is thinking of you.
The tape, as I mentioned earlier, has been turned over to the cops, and the perp has (as of now) been arrested.
It turns out that our gun-wielding nutcase was the room mate of the fellow who thought it was such a swell idea to set off an artillery simulator in his back yard. Two peas in a pod, apparently.
As Paul Harvey is so well known for saying "And now you know the rest of the story...Good Day."
So I finally had a chance to catch up with the photog in question. Not surprisingly he was really rather nonplussed about the whole affair.
He told me that at the point that mullet-man came out of the house, his first thought was "I'll bet Justin knows what kind of gun that is." Always nice to know when someone is thinking of you.
The tape, as I mentioned earlier, has been turned over to the cops, and the perp has (as of now) been arrested.
It turns out that our gun-wielding nutcase was the room mate of the fellow who thought it was such a swell idea to set off an artillery simulator in his back yard. Two peas in a pod, apparently.
As Paul Harvey is so well known for saying "And now you know the rest of the story...Good Day."
Warbow
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Justin wrote:
I love a happy ending.
I love a happy ending.
Roon
Member
Good news. Darwin and God will work out the details.
I wonder what his defense will be. I was watching some show Cheaters where they follow a cheating significant other around and video tape them cheating. This one young lady was confronted with the video tape and claimed, "That's not me" even though it obviously was.
I wonder if that's the defense that he'll use.
I wonder if that's the defense that he'll use.
BluesBear
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Wow! Are you trapped in a crappy nursing home with no cable TV too?
Er, um, excuse me, I meant to say "Assisted Living Facility"
heh.
Pointing a gun at a person with a rolling video camera is really not a very bright idea (unless you fully intend to pull the trigger...and even then it is still not a very bright idea)!
I mean, hello? You just slipped the noose around your neck and tightened it down nicely.
Mike
Pointing a gun at a person with a rolling video camera is really not a very bright idea (unless you fully intend to pull the trigger...and even then it is still not a very bright idea)!
I mean, hello? You just slipped the noose around your neck and tightened it down nicely.
Mike
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