Open Bolt SINGLE SHOT rifles legal?

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Do open-bolt, fixed firing pin SINGLE SHOT rifles require NFA registration?

I know that open bolt semi-autos are too easy to convert, so they are NFA. But what about rifles that have no magazine, no magwell and no space for one, and are single shot? In essence, this is a rifle-version fo a zip gun, sin't it?

But leaving state restrictions on zip guns aside, would it be legal to own or make an unregistered open-bolt, fixed pin rifle that is single shot only?

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Since when are open bolts NFA? I see open bolt Mac-11's and clones all over the ding danged place at gun shows and I know at least two people who have them quite legally, insofar as all of us are aware.

(Yes, I realize that the new Mac-11/Uzi clones being manufactured are now closed bolt.)
 
Yes it would be legal as long as you are over 18. It would be considered a zip gun actually since you made it.
 
WHY in the heck would you want to build up a single shot open bolt ? Heck i am not wild about open bolt nfa items , much less single shot . I am not asking to be snotty , but to try and understand why anyone would even ask such a question , it more or less boggles my simple mind .

To answer the q tho YES it would be legal , as far as i know you may legaly build anything that does not meet nfa or a local proibition in any state . If you start on this project tho make shure you mark the reciever with required info ( manufactorer , location , and a serial no if i am not mistaken , check atf regs to be shure )
 
If you are making the zip gun, the barrel must be over 16 inches for a rifle and over 18 inches for a shotgun. I don't know what the requirements for a zip handgun are.
 
Winchester had a Model 55 .22 rifle that was single shot, firing from an open bolt. Load from the top, eject from the bottom.

Not entirely sure if it had a fixed firing pin, but it's non-NFA.
 
Jessie,

How about a link to that specific thread? Looks interesting.
 
I only thought the open bolts were NFA if they met one of the criteria for a NFA weapon (select fire, SBS, SBR, suppressor, DD). An open bolt semi auto isn't one of those (although if the Akins stock sets a precedent they could argue open bolt guns violate the "spirit" of the law :neener: )
 
I only thought the open bolts were NFA if they met one of the criteria for a NFA weapon (select fire, SBS, SBR, suppressor, DD). An open bolt semi auto isn't one of those (although if the Akins stock sets a precedent they could argue open bolt guns violate the "spirit" of the law )

The ATF will not approve any new open-bolt semi-auto guns because they can be "readily converted" to full auto fire. This has been since the '80s.

My understanding is that existing semi-auto open bolt guns are still legal to own, but no new ones may be manufactured.
 
I have a Winchester M55 .22 single shot automatic rifle. Has a dimple on the bolt for the firing pin.
 
Only here on the high road has someone heard of the Winchester 55. I've mentioned it several time, and I'm always told I'm wrong (I know there is another 55). And when I refer to it as an automatic single shot firing from an open bolt, I get the looks that tell me to go sit in the corner and put on my helmet.
 
I got mine used for Christmas, I think it was '65. I havn't taken it out for a long time. About twenty years ago I was shooting it and blew the feed ramp in half,probably didn't have the cartridge in all the way is about all I can figure. I finally found a lot of parts for it on ebay.
 
The law states that a machinegun is a firearm the will "fire more than one shot, without manually reloading, by a single function of the trigger."

Therefore, if it's open bolt, but cannot fire more than one round, becasue it can only hold one round, it shouldn't be classified a machinegun. Then again, I did have to mail a spring to the ATF... :fire:

I always thought it would be good for a goof to convert one of those DPMS AR lowers without magwells to selectfire. It can't hold more than one round at a time and therefore cannot be classified a machinegun. Then the Shrike was invented... Probably a bad idea... :eek:
 
hmmm

I would also be interested in that homegunsmithing link!

The main interest in the open bolt fixed firing pin is that it is the most simple action. Essentially, a power source (spring or rubber band) and a nail is the mechanism, but having a trip mechanism (i.e. trigger) to hold the potential force in the spring steady until you are ready to shoot is such a basic modification that i would include it in plans for the ultimate 'simple gun'.

I mentioned it before, i think, but the recent SAR article on the weapons of the Irish Underground really piqued my interest. Some of the underground stuff was pretty well professionally machined. But I was most interested in the question of what can virtually anyone make with little to no professional machining skills?

Of course, making ammunition goes beyond my metalworking skills, but that's a seperate issue for a later date.

But, i wanted to be sure it was actually legal to make one at all before I got too interested in this topic.

So the image in my head right now has the ultimate simple gun as consisting of:
a barrel and chamber(*),
the bolt with a nubbin for firing pin,
a mainspring,
a simple trigger/trip mechanism,
a wire or otherwise minimal stock.

(*) for this concept, since this is not an actual underground resistance project nor do i want to break any law at all, i concede some ideas which onne might forego in a 'real' situation; and would be using a rifled barrel of legal length. Also would have to make sure the OAL is legal and the receiver is engraved with necessary info, etc etc.

Maybe a single 26 inch long tube with an internal diameter of 7.9mm can function as the receiver, stock, and barrel shroud all at once? The front 16 inches can be filled with a barrel liner from Brownell's, then the chamber reamed, then a section of the tube cut away for a loading/ejecting port and behind that the bolt/spring (which all have to fit into a .315 inner diameter) are held in with hose clamps or something, and the remainder of the tube is the arm of the shoulder stock; place a pad on it for your shoulder and you have the most rudimentary rifle. Just ideas at this point.

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