OPen carry in CC states

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I've never been bothered the few times I've seen others OCing in public, and I don't see any reason to. It's legal, and the few people I've seen doing it haven't given me the "active shooter" vibe. They're just people, and OCing is their choice.

Given the shirt he was wearing, he might have been on his way to or from a class he was teaching, and didn't bother to conceal the gun he had on during the class.

Let the old people freak out, they probably went straight home and wrote their representatives... "Armed maniac walking around the store!!!".
 
We Americans would be better off if we weren't so sensitive about how guns are carried, having said that I have seen some OC'ers acting like a woman with a new boob job and said to myself "that's not helpful".
Good taste isn't a universally agreed to concept but I would much prefer a country that followed the Vermont/AK template than the NY/Mass one and just accept those who might tweak us a little.
 
Let's knock off the "Libs need to..." talk. This isn't an issue that affects LIBERALS any more than it affects CONSERVATIVES. This is a matter of familiarity with weapons being present in peacable public situations, and I know more STANCH conservatives who would be uncomfortable seeing unknown people armed in public than I do liberals who would.

(FWIW, I happen to know more conservatives than I do liberals, so that's not to be taken as a statistical claim about society.)
 
The only negative to OC is that you may be asked to leave some places. That's alright with me, I don't want to give those places my money anyway.

OC is a great conversation starter, and I feel like it's a positive thing for people to see an ordinary guy going about his ordinary business who just happens to be carrying a gun.
 
VA is very OC friendly.
It's not as popular as CC, but I've never seen anyone make a big deal about it.

When I OC my SAA, all I ever get are kids asking if it's real.
 
I've said this before on similar OC vs CC threads, but as a LE Officer, I was never worried about anyone open carrying, it was the thug with the Tech 9 under his hoodie that scared the heck out of me!;)

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I open carry about 90% of the time in Washington State to include such places as downtown Seattle and SEATAC International airport. My experience is that about 90% of the public either never notices or shows no sign that they do notice.

Of the people that do notice about twice as many people have positive reactions as negative reactions. Most people who do notice the gun are either plainly supportive of it (thumbs up, saying something positive) or are genuinely inquisitive, ask about it, and go away having a better understanding of carrying firearms.

Of the very small minority of the public that I encounter who show some signs of disapproval, the vast majority and most vocal of those people have been the concealed carry only crowd that looks down their nose at me and says I should cover up my gun. Just because you would feel like an idiot and be embarrassed by your gun showing does not mean that feeling has any justification in reality evidenced by what those of us who open carry daily experience.

Examples:
Standing in line at Jack in the Box. Big guy literally looks down his nose at me and my gun and says, "I carry mine concealed." I replied, "You aren't very good at it." He asked, "What do you mean?" I said, "I know you have a gun!" No reply.

Leaving 7-11, I held the door open for my 13 year old daughter, a probably 6 year old girl and her dad. Our car was parked next to his jacked up pickup truck, so I waited on the curb while he lifted his daughter into the truck. I heard her say something like, "That nice officer is waiting for you." I was in a sweatshirt and jeans. When he passed by me, he said, "You should cover that gun with your sweatshirt." We were in a convertible, so my daughter heard him and she said, "He doesn't need to hide his gun, he's not a criminal!" No reply. I was so proud :).

The reason I open carry is simple. Why would a common criminal, picking out the easiest targets they can find, pick the guy with the means visible to kill them to attack? Especially when 99.5% of the public does not appear to be armed? All they have to do is wait 5 minutes for the guy with the gun to leave or go down the street one block and have their pick of a plethora of targets that do not appear to be armed. I would rather the criminal just walk on by me and my family rather than put myself and my family through the trauma of defending against a criminal attack and the following legal battles. I have no desire to remove criminals from society. My hope is to deter the crime from happening to me in the first place, something that concealed carry can't do.

There has never been anyone able to produce an example of an open carrying Joe Citizen being shot first in a robbery attempt, and there have only been two or three cases presented over the span of decades of attempted gun grabs from Joe Citizens open carrying.
 
so my daughter heard him and she said, "He doesn't need to hide his gun, he's not a criminal!" No reply. I was so proud :).
I love it.:D

That is probably the best argument I ever heard to justify OC.
 
As an Indiana resident and Lifetime LTCH holder I carry both open and concealed and have never had a problem either way. If someone is frightened or offended that is their problem not mine.
 
Here in California, the rationale given by lawmakers for banning OC was that it made people nervous.
 
Here in California, the rationale given by lawmakers for banning OC was that it made people nervous.

The dentist makes me nervous, should we outlaw them?
 
Sam1911,
Fair enough, but it's been my experience that liberals are the typical anti-(insert cause) crowd. That is fact, not fiction.
 
NavyLCDR said:
I believe the correct word would be excuse, not rationale.

Nope. An excuse is an explanation of why you should be forgiven for doing something wrong. They did something very wrong, but they don't see it that way. A rationale is an explanation of the controlling principle in a decision. The controlling principle in this case was the insane idea that a constitutionally protected right should be infringed because it offends some people's sensibilities.
 
Here in California, the rationale given by lawmakers for banning OC was that it made people nervous.
CA lawmakers rationale should negate any result they may come up with legislatively.
 
Or is that just you rationale for using rationale instead of excuse?

Honestly, it's semantics. The important thing is that a tool doing nothing dangerous shouldn't be an issue. I wouldn't question a man carrying a hammer or a baseball bat, but I would question a main carrying it in a position as if he were about to use it while walking down the street. A gun in the holster is not about to be used.
 
Exbrit49: While I respect that you have an opinion on the issue, I must disagree with it. I take issue with your concerns about sensitivity mostly. If we were to limit our actions to only those with which we offend no one we would be unable to do anything at all. The fact is somebody will always find something to be unhappy, or scared, or offended by. In a public space, should everybody be limited by what a small minority disagree with? There will always be something happening in the world that could be used to rationalize a fear of anything.
I open carry far more often than I carry concealed, and have only rarely experienced a negative reaction. The majority of people I encounter on a daily basis either do not care, or do not notice, of the people who notice a very small minority have a negative reaction, while a far greater majority of those who notice have a positive reaction. However, none of this matters to me. I am well within my rights to open carry, or concealed carry, so why should I allow another person's fears to overrule my rights and the laws of the area I am in?
 
Skribs said:
Or is that just you rationale for using rationale instead of excuse?

Honestly, it's semantics. The important thing is that a tool doing nothing dangerous shouldn't be an issue. I wouldn't question a man carrying a hammer or a baseball bat, but I would question a main carrying it in a position as if he were about to use it while walking down the street. A gun in the holster is not about to be used.

I've never understood why people say "it's just semantics." Words have meanings, and two words with different meanings aren't interchangeable.

The gist of this discussion is that the mere fact that an otherwise innocuous act makes people uncomfortable isn't a good reason not to do it. In California, the fact that OC makes people uncomfortable was the unapologetic justification for banning it.
 
In California, the fact that OC makes people uncomfortable was the unapologetic justification for banning it.

So, then, what conclusion do you draw from that? Are you agreeing with exbrit49 that gun owner's should not carry openly because of the small, but vocal, minority that will be bothered by it? Or are you saying we need to not allow political perception and threats affect our personal decision to provide protection for ourselves and our families in the most effective and legal way, which for me is open carry.
 
Sam1911,
Fair enough, but it's been my experience that liberals are the typical anti-(insert cause) crowd. That is fact, not fiction.

When it comes to guns, maybe. Lots of other issues, not so much.

Now, let's drop it. PLEASE.
 
I do find it interesting that the general stereotypical politic is that liberals, a group associated with promoting personal freedom, are against gun ownership. Not trying to bash all liberals, Sam, but it's just an irony I've noticed.
 
Skribs, we've had MANY threads on that, some recently. They mostly end locked up as they turn into political flame wars. There's no need to derail THIS thread into that.


As I said, Now, let's drop it. PLEASE.
 
I don't disagree that there is a small segment of our population that is frightened by the sight of a firearm, but for the life of me I don't understand it. The person choosing to legally open carry has laid their cards on the table with no hidden agendas, and as I said earlier they rather should be worried about the criminal concealing a weapon. In response to those same people, my department (and many others) mandated that if we open carried off duty, we must display our badge or wear an approved polo shirt with department identification embossed on it.:banghead:

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