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Opinion of knife quality: Silver Stag

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by Acera, May 15, 2017.

  1. Acera

    Acera Member

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    Herself just found a knife from a knife company I am not familiar with and I would like your guys thoughts.

    It is a Damascus steel knife from Silver Stag.

    Specifically this one: https://silverstag.com/Damascus_Series/Damascus_Dagger

    We handled it at the store and am contemplating going back for the purchase. She wants it to just have as opposed to being bought with a specific purpose in mind. But want to make sure it is worth the price.

    We've been looking for a Damascus steel kitchen knife with a hunting style blade that has a bolster that extends above the top and bottom of the handle. Any recommendations on that would also be appreciated.



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  2. hso

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    Silver Stag makes pretty good knives.

    You won't find that unless you have it made. There's no need for a top guard on a kitchen knife so you don't find makers producing them as their standard design. You can get a maker to produce one for you, but they'll be somewhat reluctant.
     
  3. Madcap_Magician

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    I've never heard of Silver Stag, but their web site seems to indicate they know what they're doing and aren't stinting on materials. One easy red flag with damascus steels is whether the maker/seller can tell you either the source company for the damascus (Alabama, Nichols, Damasteel, whatever), or, if it's homemade, what the steel layers are.

    1095 and 15N20 are perfectly normal.

    You won't find a damascus kitchen knife with a 'hunting style blade' or with a double guard. Guards interfere with virtually every common kitchen use, and kitchen knives are almost universally ground from thinner stock than hunting knives.
     
  4. Acera

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    Yeah she is aware that what she wants is not typical. However she does use a hunting knife I made for her years ago with great success, which is following in her moms footsteps who has used a hunting knife for kitchen work for the past 3-4 decades. Later probably due to being all they had or could afford at the time. Herself has two blocks and half a drawer full of good quality kitchen knives which go pretty much unused.

    This may end up being a custom project where we have made a one off that is to her specifications.

    So I am guessing that MM suggestions (Alabama, Nichols, Damasteel) are a good place to start looking for steel to be used in a custom knife?


    (She is talking today about how good that knife (linked in 1st post) looked and how she might want to go get it. No clue as to why she needs a dagger, probably sit in the safe next to the gold class Benchmades.o_O)
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  5. hso

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    Needs? This isn't about "need".
     
  6. Acera

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    I agree, but she now wants that specific dagger............................and it's her money. Just trying to help facilitate this one.


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  7. Madcap_Magician

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    Typically you'd start with a design in mind, then find a maker willing to help you with it. The knifemaker may have his or her own preference on materials. While it's fairly common for knifemakers to buy damascus billets from one of the big sources, which include, but aren't limited to Alabama Damascus (Brad Vice), Nichols Damascus (Chad Nichols), or Damasteel (A Swedish manufacturer), it's just as or more common for knifemakers to forge their own damascus steel.

    If you have your heart set on a piece like this, try to sketch out what you'd like to do. I'd recommend taking it to Bladeforums, there is a 'services wanted' subforum where you can post your ideas and have various knifemakers take a look at them.
     
  8. Acera

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    Well we have progress.

    Decided to stop by Academy today and see if we could find a style, length, etc. that she likes so that I could then have something to present to makers for a custom job.

    First stop was the knife aisle with all the stuff in the blister packs. Pulled out a Buck hunting knife, you all know the one, black handle, stainless blade, aluminum guard and trim. Popular knife since it came out decades ago.

    Me: 'So is this something you would like?'

    Herself: 'Don't know, need to feel it outside the package'

    Ok, off to the gun counter to find a clerk and see if they have one outside the package.

    Sales clerk busy with a nice guy who is getting a hell of a deal on a Savage .30-06 bolt action rifle, synthetic stock, clearance priced at $139.00!!! No, you can't get one as he got the last one in the Houston area as we would have bought 2 if they had any more.

    2nd clerk comes down, older gentleman, and asks if we need help. Rifleman is blocking the knife counter so we really can't see what is in it. Ask clerk if he has one of these out of box.

    No, but got this one from the back this morning with a few other clearance knives that I can show you, it's just about the same knife with different handle and trim pieces. Gun guy moves down so we can see all the knives inside the case.

    Clerk pulls out this:
    https://www.buckknives.com/product/119-special-knife/0119FAM01/

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    He describes it to her, brass, cocobolo handles, leather sheath, etc...................


    Right now I am thinking, home run, this thing is on clearance for <$50. She has a jewerly box made of Cocobolo she absolutely loves. She starts handling the display, feeling the heft, etc. I am done, finished, did my job, found the knife and start talking to the guy about his new rifle and getting the story. He is buying a Vortex scope and they are mounting it for him. He's set for deer season with a nice rig for less than $350 including case, ammo, sling, etc. Less than the 'combination' packages by Mossberg he has been looking at. Better conversation for me as knives are not really as strong a focus for me as guns are. Clerk can deal with her now.................



    Well herself is still talking to the nice gentleman working the counter and has asked about other clearance knives he brought out today. Couple more boxes come out of the case and she is fiddling with something over there. I turn to investigate and she is holding this knife.
    https://www.buckknives.com/product/matt-would-go/0245MCSMWG-B/
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    I am thinking, dude what the heck are you trying to sell her. She hates 'tactical' stuff. It does not matter if a Navy SEAL designed this thing, and the proceeds benefit charity. This is the woman who would not shoot her AR until I replaced all the plastic with wood, you really think she is going to like this thing?

    Now, myself, I am thinking..................so how much is this beautiful blade marked down to?






    Then I hear, 'I like it', 'It feels good', "my mom would probably like it'.



    W.T.F.?? You really considering one of those for the kitchen and general duties? That's a combat/survival knife. Micarta handles? Really?

    She asks the clerk how durable this knife would be, LOL. I am dying over here thinking that this knife will out live both her and everybody she knows, and has probably better steel than all her other stuff put together.


    Well, stupid me thinking we get the good deal on the first Buck because it is marked down and I think that is what she has been looking for.................................



    She decides to buy not one, but both of the Matt Would Go knives (all they had)...................and yeah, she will get that other one also.

    BTW, that Matt Would Go knife is marked down to <$50 also. So we walked out of Academy with two of those and the fist Buck for $150 plus tax. I only wanted to go in to get an idea of what she wanted, LOL.

    We looked at them when we got home, she thinks the Kydex sheath is cheap but will get used to it. Still not sure about the wood handled Buck, but thinks she got a good deal and not ready to let me claim it yet.

    Yup, got two, going to give one to her 70+ year old mother to use in the kitchen. If mom does not like it, maybe her brother will. Augghhhhhh...........................what about me?


    Then I looked them up on the internet, WOW. I thought the 1st one was a good deal, seems to be about 1/2 retail, the others are even better than that.



    Oh, and we are going back to the shop to look at that dagger again tomorrow and check the other stores for another Matt Would Go.

    So we are going to try out this design and go from there. One comment she made was: 'How cool would this be in Damascus?' When referring to the MWG, Shaking my head. Women.


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  9. hso

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    The issue with finger grooves like that is when they fit her hand well it might not fit the next 3 people at all (or it fits 3 and not the 4th). If she loved the feel then the balance and the grip fit her.

    There are many ABS makers in TX and OK that you could choose from to make a nice Cocobolo version of the MWG in damascus for her.
     
  10. Madcap_Magician

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    Micarta is a better kitchen knife material than wood, IMHO, although I'd polish it for kitchen work rather than blasting it.
     
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    I can't really blame her. I used my poket knife for kitchen work at Mom's house. I tell her "mom let me sharpen these!" . She says "No!, I'll cut myself". I don't argue.
     
  12. Acera

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    She likes the MWG knife in the kitchen. Part of her rotation. Not my first choice in a blade, but it's not for me, LOL. I will get to see her moms knife next week when we visit and go from there.

    I ended up getting the last MWG in Houston for <$50. Had to make a drive for it, but I think it was too good a deal to pass. FYI Academy still has some left in stores not around here, Tulsa comes to mind and a few other places show them (Pearland does, but they can't find it), call first before making a drive and make sure they put hands on it. If anyone interested PM me and I will pass on the number Academy uses for it so you can call and check stock.



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