Opinions on CZ Shotguns?

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Have a Remington 11-87 that I enjoy shooting, but now that I'm getting into trap and sporting clays want to get an over/under 12 guage.
Anybody own a CZ over/under like the Mallard or Canvasback?
They look like very nice guns without the nosebleed price of a Browning or Beretta of the same type.
Thanks for your help.
Gerry
 
I would rethink a CZ for serious clay target shooting. If you want a gun that will hold up, CZ ain't it, seriously. Look for a lightly used B-gun and enjoy trouble free shooting for many years...
 
These are ok for hunting but they will not hold up like a beretta or browning o/u. Aviod if trap or skeet gun.
 
I've heard this knock on CZ before. I have two side by sides. Been happy with them.
 
I have a Limited Edition O/U. I wish I could say I like it. The stock is off for me and this wasn't noticeable upon initial inspection. It felt great in the store but when swinging not so much. I also have an issue with rusting between the barrels. It's vented between and there is no way to get in and clean up the rust. Oil just holds it at bay. I still shoot trap once a week with it and have for two years. It's performed flawlessly once I had the locking block fixed. If I were to do it again I would have paid more money for a Beretta or Browning.


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I have to agree with ''old unc'' on this one. CZ is probably a decent gun for hunting season and the occasional round of clays.
If your going to shoot serious clay games, you'll have to take the ''nose bleed''. If you can't afford a Browning or Beretta, you may not be able to afford to shoot sporting clays.
The price of the gun is the easy part, paying 30-50 bucks for one round of sporting clays plus ammo, gas, tolls, etc, will very quickly surpass the price of the gun.
 
CZ guns are NOT made for any type of serious clay shooting
Br.owning and Beretta are NOT nose bleed priced,Kreighoff and Perazzi are. In any event, all of those guns are worth their price
Besides ammo and targets will cost more than the gun
You might as well buy a good gun once
 
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don't misunderstand me. CZ makes some very nice SxS guns, great for bird hunting. They just don't make anything durable enough to shoot thousands of rounds through, on a regular basis...
 
Hmm, so shooting a few thousand in a day wouldn't be possible? :)

http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-712-semi-auto/

Tom Knapp seems to think the new generation of CZ shotguns seems to be pretty good.

:) There's an article in the latest CZ/Guns and Ammo catalog where Mike Schoby, editor for Petersons Handguns, who fired 2000 rounds through a new 912 autoloader in that Argentina dove shoot, and said the incredibly bad ammo caused it to choke at 2000 without cleaning, good ammo would've made it run a lot farther.
I only have a hundred or so through my 712 Utility so far - we'll see how this re-branded Huglu does. Now there WAS a time recently where at least the CZ 712s came off the market so Huglu could redo the design; I don't know if the others were redone as well. The one I have is a new one.

Would you like a copy of that catalog?
 
Tom Knapp is being paid to say what they want him to say. Apparently, he didn't say the right things for his past employer, Beretta...
 
So Peterson Publishing also works for CZ-USA? Wow, had no idea they had such a corporate empire...
BTW, this, of course, means you refuse to believe anything any person who works for a company says about the product, right?Does that mean you will believe me, because I DON'T work for CZ-USA or Huglu? :)
I am a novice shot gunner, that is true, and would love to see how this trap/skeet thing works sometime, but I did have to step in here with what little I do know, and have read, from the so-called professionals. :)
 
You can build a quality autoloader for a much lower price then a quality double barrel. Whether or not the autoloaders are good has no bearing on the quality of the double guns.
 
I only posted it because they were shooting doubles at the same time and talking about the performance of same, but I have been corrected that absolutely nothing CZ or anyone else there can be trusted. No problem. I crave pardon for interrupting such an august and learned group, and beg you continue your discourse henceforth.
 
Does anyone know which top shooters are winning clays games with a CZ?
I would guess the answer is none.
I can count on one hand the number of CZ shotguns I see on the clay fields at my club. The actual # is 0!
Save your money for as long as you have to, and then buy the right gun for clay shooting.
BTW, I would rather have your 11-87 than a CZ any day.
 
Very few Olympic class clay shooters use Browning shotguns, and even fewer win medals with a Browning. Those in the Olympics that have won medals with a Browning have won with a custom Belgian made Browning, not a Miroku made Browning. But that doesn't mean that much idolized Miroku made Browning O/U shotguns are not good. So, I'm not so sure that the fact that no top shooters win with a CZ is relevant to your question, gerrym526.

Where I shoot, there is a guy with a 3 year old CZ Canvasback that he uses almost every week for 2-3 rounds of trap. I asked him about the gun. He told me it has seen around 5000 rounds so far and asked me if I wanted to shoot it. I took him up on his offer because I was interested in buying an O/U that wasn't $2400. The CZ was still tight and solid and shot just fine, and was a huge upgrade in "feel" over my semi-auto. The Canvasback is a $700 gun and is much better than any other $700 O/U I've seen, i.e. Stoeger, Stevens, Mossberg, and Tristar. I was willing to spend a bit more than that so I landed on the new Franchi Instinct L, which has a case hardened steel receiver (which would have a longer lifespan than aluminum) and is made in Italy. It's $1100 and has very nice walnut, nice machining, very good looking polished blue barrels, and good feel for the price. It is definitely a step up from the CZ O/U and saving up for the $400 price premium over the CZ is much easier to do than finding the extra $1700 to step up from the CZ to a Silver Pigeon. And, by the time you get really good at trap/skeet/sporting clays with an all purpose field-grade O/U like the CZ or Franchi (something I haven't quite done yet), you'll know what you want in a dedicated trap or skeet or sporting clay gun in terms of length of pull, comb height, drop-at-heel, rib height and other fit criteria. But you won't know what you want or like in a gun until you get good enough to be able to tell the difference. In the meantime, why drop over $2000 on a gun now that you could decide isn't the right gun for you anyway once you're good enough for the little details to matter to your game? There are very good trap shooters at my club that would have strong but differing opinions about a $3000 Browning vs a $3000 Beretta, but the differences are lost on somebody like me who isn't good enough to tell the differences yet. But when I CAN tell the difference, I don't want to already have spent a lot of money on the wrong gun.
 
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So Peterson Publishing also works for CZ-USA?
Yes it does in a manner of speaking. CZ spends a lot on advertising in Peterson publications and you can be sure that money is not without influence on their editorial policy.

Brownings and Berettas are more expensive but they have proven they can withstand the constant use of clay target shooting, a sport in which 5,000 rounds might represent a year's shooting for even a casual shooter.
 
cloverrleaf, I see as many Franchi as I do CZ at all the clay venues I shoot in the mid-Atlantic states. The Franchi is a real nice gun, much nicer than any CZ, but absent by any serious target shooters, pro or amateur. Also, take a look around the good old USA and see plenty of Citoris on the pro circuit... ;)
 
You're right, Old Unc', about Citoris on the domestic pro circuit. But once you enter the realm of world class Olympic shooters, Citoris are rarely used in competition. If there is somebody using a Browning, it is most likely a custom Superposed made in Belgium. Berettas, Perazzis, and Krieghoffs are popular in international world class shooting. If they show any shooting from the 2012 Summer Olympics this year on TV, you probably won't see any Browning Citoris or Mirokus, which market under their own brand outside the US.

But since they most likely WON'T show any shooting sports due to liberal weenie anti-gun sentiment in the UK and in TV-land, we probably won't see any guns at all. There was talk in the UK of banning any broadcast of the shooting sports and banning minors from attending the shooting events for fear that it would glamorize gun use. Never mind the possibility that people would learn that guns can be used responsibly and safely for sport and fun. Strange paranoia from the country that produces some of the best shotguns obtainable from companies like Purdy and H&H. But I digress...

My point was that NOT seeing the use of a certain brand or product line of gun by the upper echelon in the sport is not necessarily an indication that the brand or product line isn't good enough for those of us who don't rely on the sport to make the car payment.
 
custom Superposed Browning B25's are field guns. None are used by serious target shooters. Browning Citori, Beretta, Blaser, Kreighoff, Perrazi, Zoli, that's about it. No Superposed...
 
Browning's custom shop catalogue from their website lists both trap and skeet custom versions of the Superposed. I was working under the assumption that Browning knows what they're selling but they could be wrong.
 
You're right, Old Unc', about Citoris on the domestic pro circuit. But once you enter the realm of world class Olympic shooters, Citoris are rarely used in competition. If there is somebody using a Browning, it is most likely a custom Superposed made in Belgium. Berettas, Perazzis, and Krieghoffs are popular in international world class shooting. If they show any shooting from the 2012 Summer Olympics this year on TV, you probably won't see any Browning Citoris or Mirokus, which market under their own brand outside the US.

But since they most likely WON'T show any shooting sports due to liberal weenie anti-gun sentiment in the UK and in TV-land, we probably won't see any guns at all. There was talk in the UK of banning any broadcast of the shooting sports and banning minors from attending the shooting events for fear that it would glamorize gun use. Never mind the possibility that people would learn that guns can be used responsibly and safely for sport and fun. Strange paranoia from the country that produces some of the best shotguns obtainable from companies like Purdy and H&H. But I digress...

My point was that NOT seeing the use of a certain brand or product line of gun by the upper echelon in the sport is not necessarily an indication that the brand or product line isn't good enough for those of us who don't rely on the sport to make the car payment.

In the OLYMPICS, Perazzi rules the roost with Beretta a distant second - even the Germans shoot Perazzis over Kreighoffs

As to the Olympics on TV, IF Kim Rhode cam medal this time, she will become the only athlete EVER to medal in 5 consecutive Olympic Games - hopefully the liberal media and the liberal fems will acknowledge her feat, unlike how they never mentioned her when she won her first gold in Atlanta at the age of 16.

As to upper echelon, spending 2-3 K on a good gun that will last, as opposed to buying several cheaper guns that end up costing more in the long run - you get what you pay for; quality doesn't cost, it pays. If someone shoots several thousand rounds a year (not hard to do), buying a basic Browning or Beretta become moot compared to the cost of targets and ammo
 
Perazzi is definitely the hot brand recently. Everybody seems to be using them in international comps. Very nice guns. A guy at one of the clubs I shoot at has a "low end" (his description) Perazzi O/U - and it's still an $8000 gun. He's the only member of the 500 Club which is 20 rounds of trap without a miss. He can't say enough about the trigger, which he says is easily serviceable and feels more like a precision rifle trigger.

It would be nice if Kim Rhode got some spotlight time here. She's the best-of-the-best at her sport and she's American. We should be celebrating her accomplishments just like we do for Dara Torres, Shaun White or any other athlete who dominates their sport in the name of our country. But in some people's minds, shooting sports aren't as legit as other sports. TV sports coverage could have a lot of fun with this by using the "Can you shoot like a girl?" angle and I think people would take interest, but the TV execs insulated in office suites in LA or NYC just don't understand.

Anyway... The reason I suggested to the original poster that a CZ or cheaper-than-a-Beretta gun, like my Franchi, may be an OK choice is that he was starting out by shooting clays in two different settings and hasn't landed on what clay sport he wants his gun to be engineered for yet. There are differences in the feel and fit of different brands of guns, not to mention the technical differences in trap guns vs skeet guns vs sporting clays as I'm sure you're aware. There's not much accomplished in buying a $2000-$3000 sporting clays gun or field gun only to find out that trap is what he's interested in and a Citori XT Trap would have been a better choice, or that he's only interested in single trap and a BT-99 or Citori XT Trap Unsingle would have been an even better choice. In this scenario, he's not buying several cheaper guns to get the right one, he's buying several expensive guns to get the right one. I know there are different thought processes on making gun purchases and mine leans toward the 'don't make an expensive mistake' theory. I've tried skeet, double trap, and single trap but shoot mainly single trap and I've already started thinking about what I want in my next gun. A dedicated single trap gun. I'll still have the Franchi for the occasional everything else. An adjustable comb is a must, adjustable length of pull would be nice. A BT-99? A Citori XT Unsingle? A Beretta 682 at $5000? Prices only go up from there. Ouch!
 
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My 686 cost about $1725 OTD a few years ago.

I spent more than that on ammo and range fees that year.

At least 30K rounds since then. I expect it to last far longer than I.

I've shot a couple CZ O/Us. Nice field guns. I don't think I'd campaign one as a full time clays crusher, though.

For casual use, fine.....
 
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