Our Alarm went off this morning...

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Around 4AM I woke up absolutely thirsty, so I got up and grabbed a drink, laid in bed drinking it, and my wife had some too as she was thirsty, and is a light sleeper, so she always knows when I get up for anything. Everything was normal, finished the drink, went back to sleep.

A bit before 6AM this morning, our interior motion detector goes off. A bit of background - my wife is a really light sleeper, and only sleeps well if our bedroom door is closed, and if she is the furthest from the door. I'm not a fan of the closed bedroom door - I like to be able to hear if anything is in our house besides us - so we bought the motion detector so I would sleep better with the door shut. We don't have any pets or kids or anything, so the only things that should set off the alarm are me and her.

Also, she wakes up thinking she is hearing stuff inside the house maybe 3-4x per year. This has been going on since she was a kid. Generally she is paralyzed with fear, basically it's a borderline painic attack, so she sits very still listening for a long time, doesn't hear anything, and rationalizes to herself that it was nothing. Then she goes back to sleep.

We don't have a fancy alarm system that covers every point of entry, just a wireless infrared motion detector that makes a really loud chime if anything moves in its coverage area. If you're interested, it's this: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93068

We've had it for at least a couple months, never had any false alarms. The coverage area goes from one end of our house to the other - All the way across the living room, entry area, and all the way down the hallway where the bedrooms are. It covers the entire route to our bedroom, which is the thing I'm most concerned about. Insurance covers all the other stuff, but family is not replaceable.

Enough background, back to this morning. Alarm goes off, and kick my foot under the cover to make sure my wife is still in the bed, so she's not the one setting it off. She's there, and wide awake, so I bolt out of bed and grab a handgun and flashlight from the nightstand and cover the closed bedroom door with the gun.

At that point, I'm not sure what to do. If someone were still moving outside the door, it's almost certain they would have set the alarm off again, it keeps chiming as long as something is moving. Plus I can't hear anything except the heat running, and anyone walking down the hallway to our door would make the floor creak considerably.

I ask my wife is she can hear anything, and she says she was already awake BEFORE the alarm went off because she thought she heard something :uhoh:, but she was too scared to move or wake me up:scrutiny:. (So this is one of the aforementioned, 3-4x per year panics). We talk about what to do for a couple of minutes. The whole time I still have the bedroom door covered with the gun.

Neither of us can hear anything for the next several minutes, so we decide it's either a false alarm (seems pretty unlikely), or whatever sets it off is most likely gone. It's infrared, so the only thing to set it off would have to be heat moving; a blanket falling off the couch to the floor or something like that wouldn't set it off. The only thought I had of heat moving was if the heat had just kicked on and started blowing hot air into a much colder room, perhaps that could have set it off (again, doubtful).

So as far as I can tell, I have 3 choices.
A) Call the police and say my cheap motion detector went off and someone may be in the house. Wait up to 45 minutes for them to get here. But to let them in, I would have to walk outside the bedroom, where the motion was.
B) Lay in bed listening closely, with the door covered with the gun, for the next 90 minutes, when it's time to get up and get ready to go to work. And at that point, get up and make sure there is no one and nothing inside the house.
C) Clear the house. After all, you have to come out eventually, and if there was someone else in the house, they heard that loud chiming just like I did, so they knew I knew they were there. In most cases I would think they would have scooted on out the door rather than wait around to be confronted by a potentially armed homeowner, and at this point they've had a few minutes to get out of my house, which is great, b/c I don't want to find anything except an empty house.

So all 3 options require leaving the room - might as well get it over with.

So my wife is shaking a bit, but not paralyzed with fear or anything. I told her to go into our master bathroom with a flashlight, a 38, and the cell phone. Tell her if anything comes in the bedroom, light it with the light, and if it's not me, if it threatens her / moves towards her in anyway, shoot it. Also tell her I will verbally tell her when I am done clearing, and coming back into the room. Obviously, if you hear anyone yelling, or gunshots, pickup the phone.

I turned off the motion detector, and started clearing room by room. Upstairs at our house is the living area/bedrooms, and downstairs is a walkout basement and the garage.

Clear the whole upstairs, everything is fine. Front door is still deadbolted from the inside. Started down the steps to the basement. At the bottom of the steps is a sliding door that goes to our deck and back yard. The lock is pretty un-reliable, so we just use a bar in the track instead. And that bar is laying on the floor next to the track, not in the track. :uhoh:

The last time we were downstairs or out on the deck was probably Sunday afternoon. I was pretty sure I locked it, but there's always a chance I had a moment of stupidity and failed to lock it. Anyway, at that point I was obviously quite concerned, but all that was left to clear was a an empty 600SF basement, the laundry room, and the garage. Thankfully, I didn't find anyone / anything in the house. So I locked the sliding door back up with the bar, and told my wife the house was clear, and I was coming back into the bedroom.

Stuff I know I should improve on:
1) Purchase a couple more wireless sensors to cover the other doors to our house, not just the front door entry area and the hallway to our bedroom. It's great to know if someone is anywhere near your bedroom, but it's even better to know if something warm-blooded is moving anywhere in the house.
2) Get a dog. We want one, and have for a while, but have been putting it off because we're busy/gone a lot and feel like it would be at home by itself all the time, plus they cost money and I was laid off a couple weeks ago. If we had one this morning, it probably would have barked long before the alarm went off, and it would have been nice to open the bedroom door and let something else go out before me through the house.
3) LOCK the stinking door. Always.

The most rational explanation I have for what happened was that someone came in our un-locked :banghead::cuss: sliding glass door, came upstairs to look around, and when the chimes went off in our bedroom, they went back down the stairs and left out the same way they came in (and closed the sliding door on the way out:confused:)

I'm open to other suggestions of what could have caused it.

So what do you guys see that we should improve on?
Do you think there's any rational explanation for the infra-red alarm going off besides an intruder?
 
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So what do you guys see that we should improve on?
Do you think there's any rational explanation for the infra-red alarm going off besides an intruder?
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A better quality sensor would be advisable. It is possible that the Harbor Freight product has issues. I would highly advise that you find a good defense instruction company that offers the NRA Personal Protection In The Home Course.

I wouldn't recommend getting a dog until you can afford one. Last Friday, our male dog ran a $600 vet bill because he swallowed a large chunk of bone. Dogs can be extremely expensive, but sometimes not. Our female hasn't cost us a dime other than food and checkups, but that male has cost us thousands in surgeries and other emergency vet bills.

A great many here, will tell you that you should never conduct room-by-room searches, ever. But I don't see any other way out of your situation than what you did. Maybe someone will chime in with a better solution, but when something trips my alarms at night, my dogs, weapons, and I will go check it out. I have a modicum of training and am always looking for more. I recommend you get training and maybe a few more motion detectors.
 
...my cheap motion detector went off...

...the heat had just kicked on and started blowing hot air into a much colder room...


I think you found your explanation already. I won't use motion detectors in my interior alarm system because they can be falsed- everything inside the house here is magnetic reed switches that require a door to be opened to trip the alarm. And the motion detectors we do use outside have proven pretty reliable, though an insect examining the 'eye' of the sensor has set them off.

Apparently we had an owl fly across the property the other night at about 3AM- it tripped THREE of the outside sensors in pretty rapid succession over a space of several hundred yards. Though it might have been a deer and not an owl.

Dollar Tree has been selling some simple $1 each door and window alarms that use magnetic reed switches and can be easily installed. See http://www.dollartree.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=184790 . I bought a few to test- they work.

lpl
 
As I was going to bed last night I was thinking what we would/should do if our alarm went off in the middle of the night. The wife and I will have to give that some serious thought. I have a feeling I would do the same as you. And like you, I would spend some time listening before doing it. So far our system hasn't given us any false alarms.

If you want to know what's going on in other parts of the house, you could install a camera that you could view on a TV in the bedroom. It may not cover the entire house, but at least you could see what you might face if you opened the bedroom door.

I also like Lee's idea of the cheap door and window alarms. We used a couple of those in the basement of our last house. The only downside we discovered was that the sticky tape doesn't hold forever. We came home after running errands and heard a low hum coming from the basement. One of those things fell off the window. The low hum was the sound the siren makes on drained batteries.
 
The standard $20 baby monitor is a microphone (plug-in + battery backup) and a receiver with adjustable volume (plug in + battery backup). You can leave the volume turned way down and will only hear big noises (like a baby screaming) and when you want, turn the volume way up (better than normal hearing). Usually 4 channels so you can use multiples of the same brand. Easiest thing in the world to set up. Most receivers also have a light that flashes if the sound is off but it is detecting noise.

You can go up a step in price, and get the infrared baby camera for about $100. When the room is lit, the picture is washed out, but when the room is dark the image is clear.

Or pick them up used - people are always getting rid of baby stuff.
 
Unfortunately it will cost but a system that will display the tripped zone in question.

cheap system are nothing but trouble. We spent half our time running down false alarms. It the homeowner cannot trust the system, they will become complacent.

I'm guessing the system does not connect to a monitoring service or the local le which makes it somewhat useless unless the homeowner is at home.

But more importantly nothing happened and the family is ok.
 
Do you have a window in your bedroom? To avoid having to leave your safe area if you hear noise downstairs you could take a spare key and attach it to a large keychain or lightstick. If you do need to have the police respond, you can tell them you will toss the key out the window so they can get in your house with you locked in the bedroom.
 
sensor on the doors, you can by them at homedepot for pretty cheap, if the door opens for anyreason (or windows) you know somethings up.
 
We had something similar happen with the exception of a cheap system. We have a commercially installed system with monitoring service. Alarm went off and my wife ran down stairs to "turn it off" not a good idea. It turned out to be an install problem and has been corrected.

In reflection, what we should have done.

Stay up stairs in the bed room (our defensive room.) We have cell phones and protection should someone come up the narrow stairs.

Let the Police come, they can check the outside of the house for signs of entry.

I have my ccl and my wife has since had professional training in defensive pistol shooting (getting her concealed)

Get an additional monitor upstairs, you can see which ones are getting tripped and direct the police via cell phone as to whats going on.

Just my 2 cents
 
Snorky do you remember if your hands had any trouble holding/gripping or handling the gun in the few minutes right after the alarm went off? Not out of fear but simply because I think it takes awhile for our body to go to full dexterity after we are startled awake.
 
if you have kiddies in their bedrooms, staying put just aint an option.....

I have to make it to the head of the stairs before potential intruder.... otherwise they are inbetween me and the kids....

quietly roll out of bed, pop open the gun vault (simple combo. on the touch pad) and straight to the stair well...

stay quiet and listen.... keep surprise on my side

Lord help them if someone comes up the steps who's over 3' tall
 
I guess I hadn’t realized false positives were such a strong possibility with infrared, be it an expensive or cheap system. Some of our friends have had the laundry list of problems with their expensive systems, so I haven’t been inclined to put much money into one. Most of the false positives I’ve ever heard of were caused by pets (we have none).

I like Lee’s suggestion about the dollar tree door/window alarms, I just ran by there but they’re out of stock at the moment.

I can’t imagine having motion detectors outside our house. Far too many owls, bats, deer, neighbor’s cats, etc. The noise would never stop. We once woke up to what sounded like human screams/crying on the deck below our bedroom window, and it ended up being 3 cats, 2 of which were not getting along with the other one at all.

I like the idea of the baby monitor, but our house had plenty of its own noises, and I would hate to amplify them. Branches scraping outside of house, generalized creaking when windy, that random drip of water once every hour or so coming from the basement (probably condensation tube from our air handler). My light sleeper of a wife would turn into an insomniac. The infrared baby monitor/camera system I didn’t even know existed, but that looks interesting. Might excite the in-laws though when they come over and start seeing baby stuff around….:scrutiny:

Twofifty, I don’t recall any trouble with dexterity. Probably from the adrenaline rush? By the time my feet hit the floor, all I remember was yanking my gun from the drawer and popping it out of the holster with my thumb in the same motion.

I know this has been beat to death, and I don’t want to hijack my own thread (it’s not hijacking if I was the OP, right?), but I’ve debated if it would have made sense to allow the noise of a slide being racked, be it the shotgun or the handgun.

If there’s someone in the house, seems they would either leave once they thought I knew they were there, or they would lie in wait to inflict harm upon me. Until I can figure out how to float over the floor, they’re going to hear me coming anyway. If they’re gone, the noise of racking makes no difference. If they’re still there, they now know I’m armed, and may be inclined to surrender rather than face an armed homeowner, or make a run for it when they hear the noise. Either would be great with me.

Or if they are armed themselves and are prepared to take me on (statistically unlikely for a common burglar to go for the confrontation as far as I know), would it matter if they knew I were armed or not? I mean they’re already planning on inflicting harm.

Mostly I see the benefit of the possibility of them hearing/recognizing the noise, and either surrendering or running away if they were still hanging around in the first place. If they do neither, I’m not any worse off than before, they still know I’m coming thanks to our creaky floor.

Or perhaps I should quit trying to predict the behavior of people I know nothing about the mentality of….
 
fix the creaky floor

Creaky floors certainly will tell the BG that you are coming, but the noise can be prevented.

In most homes creaky floors are caused by the subfloor not being nailed or screwed tightly to the floor joists. In other words, the carpenters took a shortcut; they probably did not bother applying construction adhesive to the joist tops either. The noise comes from the sub-floor (often 3/4" or 5/8" plywood or aspenite) rubbing against the fasteners.

A quick fix is to screw the subfloor along each joist: 2.25" screws every 6 inches should suck the floor down tight. Floor joists usually are spaced 16" apart; in pre-1950 homes sometimes 24" apart. If there's carpeting, pull it up before the fix. If there's vinyl flooring, screw right through it then glue a new sheet of flooring over it. If you have nice hardwood floors or tile, you're looking at more trouble and expense...but your peace of mind might be worth it. Btw, it's a good idea to check for wires or pipes or radiant floor tubing before doing this type of repair; if in doubt, use shorter screws.

As to the noise of racking a slide....wouldn't that also telegraph your position and your capabilities? You'd lose the considerable tactical advantage of surprise.
 
I agree with lee lapin. I install home security for a living and the motion detecter could have gone off because a)fauly, after all you did buy it at harbor freight. b) most likely fast change in room temp, you did say that when it went off you could here the furnace going
 
The outside sensors we use are from Chamberlain- see http://www.buy.com/listing/sellerlistings.asp?sku=90125222&buy=0 . Installed about 4' high, they don't pick up dogs or other small animals. I've learned that they will detect deer, birds that get too close, insects that try to crawl into the slot that protects the 'eye' etc. But they don't cause a problem IMO- when they go off, something is out there, definitely.

Ours are set up inside either the property line perimeter fence, or the fence that surrounds the house, so not a lot of animal traffic can get to them, except for two sensors that 'watch' the road and our driveway. It's a private road without a lot of traffic and we like to know when anyone passes by.

fwiw,

lpl
 
I know this has been beat to death, and I don’t want to hijack my own thread (it’s not hijacking if I was the OP, right?), but I’ve debated if it would have made sense to allow the noise of a slide being racked, be it the shotgun or the handgun.

If there’s someone in the house, seems they would either leave once they thought I knew they were there, or they would lie in wait to inflict harm upon me. Until I can figure out how to float over the floor, they’re going to hear me coming anyway. If they’re gone, the noise of racking makes no difference. If they’re still there, they now know I’m armed, and may be inclined to surrender rather than face an armed homeowner, or make a run for it when they hear the noise. Either would be great with me.

This really is a question for the Clint Smiths, Mas Ayoobs and Greg Hamilton's of the world. That said, this is one good side-argument for a nice, fat revolver. Ready to go, with the only noise coming from the piece clearing leather (or lock-box or whatever).

A lot of experts recommend keeping a defensive auto in condition 3 on the theory that the act of having to rack the slide and chamber a round will supposedly wake the owner up enough to have some judgement. A condition 1 1911 or XD or Glock could be easier to grab and have bad things happen in a sonambulistic state. Keeping a round chambered therefore could involve some degree of extra risk. Opinions will vary on this. Of couse, not much difference between a DA (or DAO or NYPD-module'd Glock) and the typical service wheelie in that regard.

So far as the unbelievably loud sound of a slide racking in the dead of night, that's hard to say as well. We can only guess, but I'd like to say that a majority of home invaders would pee their pants and hit the sliding door on the way out. I would. But then again, I'm no home invader either; as you mention, who's to say for sure what sort of mind set would take someone into another's occupied dwelling?

That indeed leaves your very real concern of giving away the advantage of surprise. If armed, an intruder could indeed stake out the same stairway from the bottom that you stake out from the top. I'm not enthused about the idea of standoffs (or worse, if you have to move, as in to get to kids, or to check things out after a long listening bout).

All of these situations are undesireable, IMHO. That said, I personally find the idea of moving about in condition red-orange house-clearing mode without a round immediately available–with one hand–even more undesireable, to say the least. If I have a sidearm available for checking out bumps in the night, I want it ready to go before I move.

That's part of why I have a modest stash of DAO revolvers close at hand at night (one in particular quite close).

I like autos too, of course. That said, your concern is still complex enough to warrant thought and discussion; preferably in advance of the next alarm tripping. If nothing else, I'd personally want to find a way to store my HD auto safely with one in the chamber.

I'd be curious to hear opinions.



By the way, I think you did well under the circumstances, with the information you had.
 
Thanks for Sharing Your Experience

Thanks for sharing your story. Glad it was just a false alarm. Heat, reflections that heat a surface (sun) or insects inside the sensor can give false alarms with IR sensors.

I would strongly consider investing in a more elaborate system, or checking in to it. Family is much more important than anything...

In the last two homes I have had, since 1990, I have had professionally installed alarm systems in them. I would never be without one now...the comfort level does go way up. I also have an indoor alarm siren, that can wake the dead. My goal is to scare someone away prior to me meeting them. And the outside siren/horn makes neighboring dogs bark for a few minutes, LOL.

The 1st house had sensors hard wired to all windows & doors, and two pressure pads under the carpet that never false/tripped. When I got my current house I upgraded the existing alarm system (POS), installed more control panels, adding the garage door sensor, B/U battery, etc. It has two motion detectors, professionally installed.

Initially I was connected to an alarm service. My prodessional grade motion detectors gave me 2 false alarms in less than a year (one from a small spider making a web in it). I had the installer come back, he installed a "better" (less sensitive?) motion detector. They've all been IR. It tripped once...I was done, they've never been activated with the system now. Now I do NOT trust IR motion detectors.

I have a "Stay Home" activate option on my alarm system, that doesn't activate the motion sensors with the rest of the system, and that's what I always use now, home or not. It's designed to allow the occupants to wander around the home, not activating the alarm (motion sensors)...which is cool.

The installer claimed newer motion sensors were more reliable than pressure pads when he did the install. But that has not been my experience.

My installer did admit one customer had many pressure pads installed as zones throughout the house. Said he needed to know in what direction to fire!
 
Yep- the company name is Chamberlain ( http://www.chamberlain.com/corporate/en-us ). They make garage door openers, gate openers, motion detector/wireless intercom systems, etc. We've been very pleased with their products that we've used so far.

If there’s someone in the house, seems they would either leave once they thought I knew they were there

There should be NO WAY someone can get into your house without your knowing for sure there has been an intrusion, and without your having sufficient warning to prepare to deal with it. Period. Whatever you have to do to make sure there is no doubt about that, you need to do it. And that means making sure ALL doors and windows are securely locked as a final check before you go to bed. Whatever else you do to provide yourself warning of intrusion is all well and good, as long a it works reliably, but making sure your household perimeter is secure is a must.

Beyond that, it's a matter of choices as to how you deal with the intrusion. I still prefer the method taught in the NRA's Personal Protection In The Home (PPITH) class- bunker up behind cover, train a cannon on the door and call the cavalry. Our preferred HD guns here are shotguns, but I don't want to start a pistol vs shotgun vs carbine argument. My wife and I are both comfortable with shotguns in the HD role- both of us have had training on various tools and have our own preferences.

In our case, shotguns are kept magazines loaded and chambers empty for safety's sake. Racking the slide is just part of picking up the gun, and it's likely the bellows of a hundred plus pounds of very protective Fila, plus the shreiks of an enraged 35-pound Brittany, will more than drown out the sound of the action being racked anyway.

As to assuming that someone would leave when they figured out you were home and armed... well, you know what they say about the word assume, right? It's very dangerous to extrapolate beyond your data, as my wife says. You just can't predict what a housebreaker will do. Some of them are drugged out of their minds, some of them are flat crazy, and you don't know what brought them to you. Figuring they will go away if they just know you're there is sorta like hiding under the blanket to keep the boogieman away.

See http://www.nrahq.org/education/training/basictraining.asp to locate a PPITH class in your area, or http://materials.nrahq.org/go/product.aspx?productid=ES 26840 for the class on DVD.

fwiw,

lpl
 
"Also, she wakes up thinking she is hearing stuff inside the house maybe 3-4x per year. This has been going on since she was a kid. Generally she is paralyzed with fear, basically it's a borderline panic attack, so she sits very still listening for a long time, doesn't hear anything, and rationalizes to herself that it was nothing. Then she goes back to sleep."

Sounds like she has sleep paralysis where your eyes are open and you can hear things but are in between the dream world and real world and you can't move anything but your eyes and hear. I have it but have learned to recognize it and either ignore it or wake myself up some way. It can be scary if you don't know what is happening. You can see things move or hear things that are not really there.

Ask her to see if she can recognize what position she is laying in when this happens. Mine happens when I am on my side. For others, when they are on their stomach.
 
Also, she wakes up thinking she is hearing stuff inside the house maybe 3-4x per year. This has been going on since she was a kid.

My wife does this too. At least, she used to. The last two houses we lived in did not have alarm systems. My wife would believe she heard very specific sounds such as glass breaking, paper being shuffled or an interior door being pulled shut. She would then wake me up by racking a round into her Glock. Trust me when I say that wakes you up more effectively than any alarm clock. I would then grab my gun and we would both proceed to clear the house and find nothing. I think she would dream the sounds and wake thinking the were real.

When we built our new house we dicided it would have a good alarm system. We had it professionally installed by a local company that moniters it as well (optional). It cost about $2k but we didn't have to sign up for three years of monitering like Brinks or ADT would have required for their $99 cheapo system. All doors and windows have sensors plus we have glass break sensors and a motion detector. We have a control panel in our bedroom to help us track the state of the system. If a window or door is open, we can tell which one without leaving our bedroom. We have a dog but the motion detector has given us no false alarms. The "Stay" mode arms the system without the motion detector so we can move around the house. We also have key chain remotes if our hands are too full to punch in numbers to disarm.

We've been in our new house for 7 months and sleep much better. We still wake to odd sounds in the night (ice maker, the dog moving around, 40+ mph wind, etc.), but we look at the control panel, see that all is well and go back to sleep. Yes, it was expensive, but it has been so worth it.

You could probably buy the components, install it yourself, save a bunch of money and still get some great peace of mind.
 
Affordable assurance

I'm retired and on a fixed income. Cant afford a quality security system. Have several small house dogs that are no problem, will bark at anything. Also put a strip of bells on each exterior door, you move the door you will definitely hear them. I am sure that it isn't foolproof but with dogs, bells and a loaded 12 ga. next to the bed I sleep just fine.
 
lock the door

If you've been laid off your job, then the least expensive solution is the best. Just spend $20 to get a better lock for your sliding door. A piece of wood holding the sliding door in place can either be jiggled out or broken with force. The sliding glass door itself can also be broken. You may also get a $20 motion sensor high beam light outside the sliding glass door for security. Most crooks would leave if they were suddenly illuminated. They probably think the light was turned on by a hidden homeowner with a gun and leave. Your sliding glass door is the achilles heel in your home security.

Now, once you have a job, a dog would be ideal. Dogs are actually better than guns for home security, if properly trained. Do not get a pit bull as they are dumb, dumb, dumb. Get a shepherd of some sort (german shepherd, australian shepherd, etc). They are smart. I've trained my dog to clear the house. He'll go from room to room to see if someone other than me is in the room, then return to me and give me a happy bark if all is clear. If an intruder is in the house, he'll stay just outside the room and bark at the room with the intruder. He only bites on command, unlike dumb pit bulls. He also releases on command. He only bites without a command if an intruder has a gun or knife. I only have one dog, but the trainer who I bought the K9 from said that you could buy 2 K9's and train them in group attack tactics. One dog barks loudly to attract attention while the other dog silently attacks. They are trained to bite onto the hand holding a knife or gun. Then you come in after your dogs to end the confrontation by apprehending the intruder or shooting to end the threat of bodily harm.

Also, once you have a job, you may replace your sliding glass door with an "unbreakable" pexiglass door.
 
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