Overall 6.5 grendel opinion

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I'm wanting to do a new AR build this year, and I've narrowed it down to .308 and 6.5 grendel. I have only read on the grendel, no actual experience with it but I haven't found a lot of negative threads or articles on it. The .308 is obviously a proven choice, now I just want to ask if anyone out there has experience with the two, and if so which would you recommend for me? It will be for fun, hunting, plinking, and I reload my own ammo. I'm not a proficient long range shooter, but I would like to be one day. Thanks for any and all advice
 
My opinion is based on reading, like yours, and I have read relatively few negative comments. If I were an AR-15 guy, it would be on my top two or three list for getting uppers. What are the others? 5.56 and .20 Practical.

If you want to build on a .308 length action (AR-10), then I would go with the .260 Rem for target shooting and you can use it for a good deal of hunting too. 7mm-8 might be a little more verstile where you are.

What would you be hunting?
 
If you want the AR15 platform, use the 6.5G. If you want the AR10 platform, .308. Two different systems. Do you already own an AR type rifle?
 
There seem to be magazine reliability issues for 6.5 Grendel. This is why I didn't go with it. Instead, I went with 5.56x45mm with an eye on 300 Blackout. I intend to purchase an upper in 300 Blackout next year. Take a look at the guns in 7.62x51mm. Reliable magazines are available and easy to get.
 
I think the 6.5 Creedmore is a lot better.

Than what, the Grendel? Yes, but it won't fit in an AR-15 magazine. The Grendel holds it's own against the .308 at longer ranges.

The 6.5 Creed and the .260 Rem are ballistic twins, and the .260 should work in the AR-10 without any mods to the magazines.
 
You could use either, but there are major differences being ignored. That happens when the numbers are the focus, and not the application.

Plinking and some shooting can be done with a single shot .22 cheaper than anything, which points out two issues: Costs, and how much power you really need to project downrange.

Since hunting for live game wasn't the primary choice, then the real focus is shooting paper. Either cartridge will do that job. What is next in line is the power levels - 6.5 is an intermediate, .308 a true full power. There is a significant difference, besides the powder capacity of the cases, there's also recoil, and operating pressures on the guns. It's more than just significant that the 6.5 is developed around the AR15, and the .308 was the intended cartridge for the AR10.

What's being chosen are two completely different guns, not just cartridges. The larger will require getting accustomed to twice the recoil, will weigh at least a pound and a half more equally kitted out, and will cost at least $500 more. It won't be standardized on a milspec platform, as the AR10 makers won't use the same uppers or bolts. Parts are proprietary within groups of makers - unlike the AR15, which you can literally assemble from parts that built on opposite sides of the country.

There's a fact floating around out in the military gun users crowd that some are in complete denial about - intermediate cartridges are the issue power levels nearly worldwide, and full power .30's a special use cartridge. The reason is recoil - soldiers won't shoot big guns as much, and pick up more bad habits dealing with recoil. They also can't control the weapon as well in rapid fire, second shots take longer because the muzzle flips, and the shooter is hit with more force.

.308 isn't the best round for starting out in shooting, any more than going to a pistol range with a .45 as a first gun.

Given what the OP wants to do, the 6.5G is the better and cheaper choice.
 
I'd get the 308. The only good thing if you are going to go to a grendel is the AR-15 platform. With the lower you can change the upper to any caliber you like. The 308 is much cheaper to shoot and more ammo/bullet choices. The 308 can do anything a grendel can do. Since you reload, it is much harder and more expensive to find a grendel brass than a 308.
My 308 isn't any harder to shoot unless you are going bolt action. Granted a 308 is a heavy gun if you have to lug it around for a walk.
I have a 6.8 spc because I am not a fan of 5.56 and I already have a 308. New 6.8 brass isn't cheap.
 
I agree with almost everything Tirod said, but I found it interesting that he said one shouldn't make a .308 their first rifle or a .45 their first pistol. As it turns out, my first rifle was a .308 and my first pistol was a .45. I guess I fly in the face of conventional wisdom. Other than that, the man has great points. I'll add that the versatility of the AR15 vs the proprietary nature of a particular AR10 leads me to suggest that you lean in the direction of the former.
 
Midway has Hornady ($37/50pcs) Grendel brass in stock right now that is marginally more than their ($34/50pcs) .308 brass.

Just sayin'. ;)
 
You can get 308 onced fired brass for under $70/500 pieces. At the range, I can have a 308 buffet for free. 6.5 grendel once fired brass... good luck. The solar eclipse happens more often than finding it cheap.

Midway has Hornady ($37/50pcs) Grendel brass in stock right now that is marginally more than their ($34/50pcs) .308 brass.

Just sayin'.
 
I've been shooting the Grendel for years. I have built several and haven't even touched my 5.56 AR since.

The Grendel has recently become SAAMI certified and Alexander Arms has released the patent. So, any company can now make a Grendel. All kinds of shops are now providing barrels etc. There are also manufacturers looking at making magazines for the Grendel.

Although the current C-products magazines leave something to be desired. With a little tweaking of the feed lips, they can be made to be a fairly reliable magazine.

If you decide to build a .308, you are going to be moving up to the AR10 platfrom. The Grendel is in a AR15 platform. So, if you already have a AR15, you can use the lower with a Grendel upper. If you decide to go with the .308 build, plan on spending at least twice as much as you will on a Grendel.

A Grendel has the same external ballistic curve as the .308 win and has a higher BC. The Grendel will stay supersonic longer than the .308. The Grendel stays supersonic till 1200 yards ..... and the .308 drops subsonic around 900.
 
I've built, own and shoot both platforms. The 6.5 Grendel is a superior long range shooter with the 21"+ barrel. The Grendel is on the way to being mainstream. Several ammo manufacturers are not offering the 6.5G at affordable prices. Wolf is working on a low cost (cheap .30 cent a round) steel case ammo. No more trade mark issues and the Grendel has a SAAMI spec.

The .308/7.62 has much more wind drift, about 60-70% more. The .308/7.62 goes subsonic before 1kyds and the G can maintain supersonic past 12-1300 yds.

The .308/7.62 well deliver more energy out to about 800 yds and at that point the G well have about the same energy.

Grendel ammo can be bought for .75 to 1.75 a round. The Hornady 123gr A-max shoots very well and is $1 a round and the brass reload very nicely.

http://www.midwayusa.com/find?&user...&itemsperpage=20&newcategorydimensionid=13950
 
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Ballistics-wise, anything the 6.5G can do the .260 can do better. Again though, we are discussing two different platforms. I would still like to know which the OP would want, and then cartridge selection comes next.

If the question is as cut and dry as "Do I build an AR-15 pattern in 6.5 Grendel, or an AR-10 pattern in .308?", I am partial to the -15 and would advise the Grendel route.
 
I spent the first three years shooting .22 International. The first rifle I bought was .308, and there's a huge difference. You can shoot .22 all day, most new shooters will call it a day after 50 -75 rounds of .308. It's not about what any one of us might have done, it's what the average shooter does. Many don't even shoot 1,000 rounds a year. At commercial prices, thats $1,000 dollars of ammo. And they don't see that they could buy $250 in reloading gear, $250 in ammo components, and shoot up to 2,500 rounds for the money. Fortunately, this OP does.

While the 6.5G does very well, it's far from going to become "mainstream." It's made it's rep not being mainstream - if it was Fudd ammo from day one, nobody would look twice. That goes for the same being said about other cartridges, too. Retail brick and mortar stores have limited shelf space, and a new cartridge has to have more turns on the shelf with more profit to bother knocking off something else with a proven track record. It's been ten years since the intro of the 6.5G, and finding boxes of it on 5,000 Wally World shelves next week isn't very likely. Other cartridges have a much bigger sales history and they're not only ahead in that race, they are also being ignored.

If 1/10th of the hype surrounding the .300BO actually happens, then 6.5G is going to have a lot of competition from a major ammo and gun maker. And it doesn't even address the elephant in this conversation, the other 6.x cartridge with ten times more hunter sales, which IS mainstream retailing in America.
 
The grendel is basically a short throat ppc with factory ammo.
In a ar it works as is, in a bolt gun I would go with the ppc or at least lengthen the throat to take better advantage of the case capacity
 
Thanks everyone for your advice. I think after all my research, I will go with the G, because of interchangeability with my current 5.56 AR. A 5pack of AR 15 uppers can be had for cheap(ish), so I'll get that and build a few different guns that can work on my current lower. Despite the G's flaws versus the .308, I think there are also a lot of advantages and should be fun, and even if it never becomes mainstream, it will probably always have a cult like following. Thanks again to all for all your input, much appreciated
 
Let us know where you find the best/cheapest parts for your build. I have been thinking about the same thing you are.....
 
Tirod,
The .300 BO is more competitive to the 6.8 than it is to the 6.5. You yourself agree that the 6.5 attracts more long range shooters than hunters. Someone looking for a long range shooter that can double as a hunter won't be looking for a .300 BO. We know you love your 6.8 but there really isn't any reason to mention it or the .300 BO in this thread. Maybe we should leave those discussions in a thread that calls for it.
 
I considered it. I haven't discounted it. The only problem that I can really see is that the components aren't as readily available as .308. You also have a very WIDE variety of magazines if you go .308 depending on the flavor of rifle you decide on. I do like the fact that I can use my old lower. If you go .308, you have to tread into AR 10 territory meaning a new lower.
 
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